Is Muzzin and Rielly out equivalent to Matthews and Tavares out?

DavePoulin4PM

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Yes. The Leafs defense was a bottom 5 unit before the injuries. Now they are probably the worst. The 18 wheeler is going off the cliff.
 

BlueBaron

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What it boils down to with me is we have far more players who could fill in for a #2 C than w do a#1 D. Having two #1 C makes that the much deeper position.
 

A1LeafNation

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Considering this team is built to score, having your top 2 centers and 2/3 best forwards out would hurt significantly more than losing Rielly and Muzzin.
This seems like bad logic, if you are built to score, it means you have more scoring options on the team.

It also means that your defenders cause much more of an impact if missing from the line up.
 
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TDotMassive

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One could argue it's more significant as these two play more minutes and a more important position than the centers.

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Perhaps we are a good team and need to wait this thing out?

What are your thoughts on this?
Agree getting Rielly and Muzzin back (2 top-pairing D) is obviously a massive boost and is currently a huge detriment... however, we still need a 2nd starting G to tandem with Freddie and another top-4 D before we can own the league and take home a cup.
 

Woll Smoth

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This seems like bad logic, if you are built to score, it means you have more scoring options on the team.

It also means that your defenders cause much more of an impact if missing from the line up.

It means you go from outscoring your problems on D to still having a mediocre D and not being able to score. There's a way bigger drop off in talent losing Matthews and Tavares than Muzzin and Rielly. Especially considering how bad Rielly has been this year
 

Stephen

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I think it’s easier to survive missing your top two centres because of the way the Leafs are
constructed and that you can spread around the offensive duties to 12 forwards and clamp down defensively. So far it doesn’t look like the Leafs can weather the storm defensively with Rielly and Muzzin out.
 
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LeafingTheWay

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I think it’s easier to survive missing your top two centres because of the way the Leafs are
constructed and that you can spread around the offensive duties to 12 forwards and clamp down defensively. So far it doesn’t look like the Leafs can weather the storm defensively with Rielly and Muzzin out.

Ageeed. Our offense would still be above average with Matthews/Tavares out. However losing Muzzin and Rielly is insane, our top-2D. I think a lot of people underrate how good Muzzin is.

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cannucky

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amazing how Morgan Lebda being out makes people forget just what a pile of dog doo he's been defensively , Reilly out gives us his salary over the cap which is the biggest contribution he's made to the team all year .
 

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