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Lol no.
EK will solidify him as one of the all time greats but he won't be regarded as good as Orr
EK will solidify him as one of the all time greats but he won't be regarded as good as Orr
Lidstrom is the best D to have ever played.
And it isn't particularly close.
Lidstrom is the best D to have ever played.
And it isn't particularly close.
Lidstrom is the best D to have ever played.
And it isn't particularly close.
What is this "D" you speak of?
I ask because obviously you're not talking about a hockey player playing defense.
I will say quite confidently that you are not the best ever "pot stirrer". To do that you have to be a bit more subtle.
^^^^^ Comments like this are what make Lidstrom the most overrated player of my lifetime
If anything, Lidstrom was underrated and overlooked/ignored before winning his first of seven Norris' at age 31.
How does a fan opinion change the fact that Lidstrom is one of the greatest defencemen in history? I see him and Bourque in the same tier, of course Lidstrom won more cups and individual awards (7 x Norris', Conn Smythe) as part of Red Wings dynasty.
I've posted this in another thread, but I'll re-post it here, since it certainly qualifies as an "amazing Karlsson stat":
DEFENSEMEN CONTRIBUTION TO TEAM OFFENSE
Players | Season | Team | Points | TeamG | Percentage
Bobby Orr | 1970 | BOS | 120 | 277 | 43.3%
Bobby Orr | 1975 | BOS | 135 | 345 | 39.1%
Erik Karlsson | 2016 | OTT | 82| 236 | 35.7%
Bobby Orr | 1972 | BOS | 117 | 330 | 35.5%
Bobby Orr | 1974 | BOS | 122 | 349 | 35%
Erik Karlsson | 2017 | OTT | 72 | 206 | 35%
Bobby Orr | 1971 | BOS | 139 | 399 | 34.8%
Brent Burns | 2017 | SJS | 76 | 219 | 34.7%
Phil Housley | 1992 | WIN | 86 | 251 | 34.3%
Denis Potvin | 1976 | NYI | 98 | 297 | 33%
Paul Coffey | 1989 | PIT | 113 | 347 | 32.6%
Paul Coffey | 1990 | PIT | 103 | 318 | 32.4%
Paul Coffey | 1986 | EDM | 138 | 426 | 32.4%
Erik Karlsson | 2014 | OTT | 74 | 229 | 32.3%
Paul Coffey | 1995 | DET | 58 | 180 | 32.2%
Erik Karlsson | 2012 | OTT | 78 | 243 | 32.1%
Brian Leetch | 1992 | NYR | 102 | 321 | 31.8%
Ray Bourque | 1987 | BOS | 95 | 301 | 31.6%
Brian Leetch | 2001 | NYR | 79 | 250 | 31.6%
Ray Bourque | 1994 | BOS | 91 | 289 | 31.5%
This statistic looks at the percentage of their team's offense a defenseman has contributed to. I don't remember how far back the data goes, but it's at least to 1950, if not earlier.
As you'd expect, Bobby Orr dominates the list. He has the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 7th highest-ranking seasons of all-time.
What was surprising is how well Karlsson fares. He ranks 3rd, 6th, 14th and 16th. He already has as many spots on the list as Coffey (but consistently ranks higher). He fares better than Bourque and Leetch. Most impressively, Orr and Karlsson combined to up all of the top seven positions.
Pretty much says Orr was on a tier of his own... The conversation starts about who's next
Then bourque is on a tier of his own below orr.
Then a handful of players fighting for 3rd and on.