KingsFan7824
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Every franchise needs a little small market team mentality in them with the cap. You have to be smart, at least more often than not. More steak than sizzle.
Is Detroit Becoming a Small Market Team?
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ArGarBarGar
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Detroit made a better offer for Nash than the Rangers did but at the time they were in Cbus's division so it didnt happen. They signed Hossa. They threw as much money as Minnesota at Suter but he chose his wife/Parise over Detroit.
Detroit offered a massive package for Edler and seemed very close to aquiring Phaneuf this deadline. Weiss turned out poorly but he was the best free agent center in free agency that year while also landing Alfredsson.
In the cap world I'm not sure what else you expect, especially from the team that best develops home grown talent in the league. You dont need to overpay free agents with less holes to fill because of home grown talent coming up.
Definitely not a small market team
KirkAlbuquerque
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Lindros, Kovalev were before the cap
Nash, St Louis, Yandle were traded for (and so was Jagr also before the cap)
The Wings aren't any less willing to spend money, it is just that things are different now with the salary cap. Holland has changed his way of doing things to an extent, but the owner isn't telling him to spend less.
Holland is trying to build through the draft and prospect develop primarily and is unwilling to trade top prospects/1st round picks for the wrong return. The one desperate/panicky trade he made recently (IMO) was trading a 1st for Kyle Quincey because he knew Stuart was leaving, Lidstrom was close to retiring, and Rafalski kind of retired unexpectedly with a year or so left on his contract. Other than that, he is usually very careful in his trade decisions. In the last 90's/early 2000's, the Wings regularly traded 1st round picks.
For free agents, it is just that the free agent market is thinner these days. Less big names available and more teams competing to get them. Holland doesn't want to "overpay" for the "wrong" guy, like paying a second tier guy top line money. Even then, he seemed willing to spend big for guys like Suter, Niskanen, Boyle, etc... and they just went elsewhere.
Can't force teams to meet your demands in a trade, and can't force a UFA to sign your contract offer. Doesn't mean Holland isn't trying or that Detroit is losing their place as a "big market team".
Holland is trying to build through the draft and prospect develop primarily and is unwilling to trade top prospects/1st round picks for the wrong return. The one desperate/panicky trade he made recently (IMO) was trading a 1st for Kyle Quincey because he knew Stuart was leaving, Lidstrom was close to retiring, and Rafalski kind of retired unexpectedly with a year or so left on his contract. Other than that, he is usually very careful in his trade decisions. In the last 90's/early 2000's, the Wings regularly traded 1st round picks.
For free agents, it is just that the free agent market is thinner these days. Less big names available and more teams competing to get them. Holland doesn't want to "overpay" for the "wrong" guy, like paying a second tier guy top line money. Even then, he seemed willing to spend big for guys like Suter, Niskanen, Boyle, etc... and they just went elsewhere.
Can't force teams to meet your demands in a trade, and can't force a UFA to sign your contract offer. Doesn't mean Holland isn't trying or that Detroit is losing their place as a "big market team".
Unfriendly Ghost
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This is not what big/small market team even means. It refers to the size of the metropolitan area. Detroit is roughly the same size it's always been.
Cursed Lemon
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In a pre-cap league, the Red Wings could bring in Hasek, Robitaille and Hull before the start of the 2001 season.
In the cap world, they brought in Rafalski in the summer of 2007.
Coming into the lockout, Detroit had the highest payroll in 2/3 previous seasons and it was 2, 1.5 and 2 standard deviations
above league average. Detroit's own team history mentions how the franchise transitioned from 'free agent spending sprees'
to focusing more on its own players. The transition has been very successful and the big market/small market dichotomy does not apply.
In the cap world, they brought in Rafalski in the summer of 2007.
Coming into the lockout, Detroit had the highest payroll in 2/3 previous seasons and it was 2, 1.5 and 2 standard deviations
above league average. Detroit's own team history mentions how the franchise transitioned from 'free agent spending sprees'
to focusing more on its own players. The transition has been very successful and the big market/small market dichotomy does not apply.
Syckle78
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It was never about free agency spending sprees. We traded for Hasek, and hull and luc weren't big dollar signings of the day. The reason Detroit's payroll was so high is because they they retained their own players and traded for complimentary pieces using home.grown talent. Detroit never built through free agency.
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JS19
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The last time I said that in the playoffs thread, I got lambasted by Wings fans, glad to see there are some people who aren't happy with Holland's approach at the moment.
In 2001-02 of the 27 players who played more than five games for the Red Wings
10 were drafted by Detroit, 10 they signed as free agents and 7 they acquired via trade.
Detroit spent nearly half of the league average payroll on those 10 "complimentary pieces."
Idk, ask every multi-million dollar athlete that has lived there over the past 25 years. Let's get Cabrera in here or maybe you can just get out of your parents' basement...
Don't kid yourself. This isn't the Detroit from 25 years ago. The inability to attract free agents is a direct correlation with the depreciation of the city and surrounding areas.
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I really doubt it has to do with Detroit and the surround area. Firstly the city of Detroit was significantly worse 20 years ago than it is today, in terms of the downtown area. There are now a bunch of great restaurants, community activities, heck even places you might want to go for a walk.
The bigger issue for Detroit and free agency is Holland and Babs. Before Holland wouldn't overspend at all post cup for a player, and this policy didn't change until after Lids retired. The problem now is that in a cap world where you can only spend so much and that other teams are closer to competing than the Wings who are solidly rebuilding now. Add to that his fear of trades, and you have a fairly stagnant team.
Then you throw in Babs, a notoriously hard coach to play for. Its one thing to go play for a guy like that when you winning or competing for cups every year, but a different thing when you are competing for wild card spots. I mean look at how he treats Weiss, Legwand, White, etc. He doesn't like you, you can never win your spot back.
The bigger issue for Detroit and free agency is Holland and Babs. Before Holland wouldn't overspend at all post cup for a player, and this policy didn't change until after Lids retired. The problem now is that in a cap world where you can only spend so much and that other teams are closer to competing than the Wings who are solidly rebuilding now. Add to that his fear of trades, and you have a fairly stagnant team.
Then you throw in Babs, a notoriously hard coach to play for. Its one thing to go play for a guy like that when you winning or competing for cups every year, but a different thing when you are competing for wild card spots. I mean look at how he treats Weiss, Legwand, White, etc. He doesn't like you, you can never win your spot back.
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Do any of the players actually live in Detroit? The answer is no, they all live in the suburbs. Novi seems kind of nice.
Anyways, Detroit isn't small market in any way, Holland might be too conservative regarding trades, but both Kenny and the Ilitches have no problem what so ever splashing money around if they think they need to. Thing is, there just hasn't been that many great ufas lately, and the ones they've wanted they've gone after quite aggressively.
The wings could probably benefit from a more trade willing GM, at least short term, but on the other hand I'm kinda content with Holland and his way of doing things.
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