Pre-Game Talk: International North American Trade Deadline Day Spectacular WOO HOO!!!

[Novacane]

Was baffled by Dalpe too.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

No wonder we never do anything at the deadline, JR has a list of 25 untouchables

 

[DougieSmash]

Dalpe the untouchable.

Next year: Tlusty- E- Semin; Skinner- J- Dalpe; Welsh- Nash- Ruutu; Bowman- ????- Dwyer;

We like our group.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Isn't it obvious? Giving up on Dalpe so soon after giving up on Boychuk would just look poorly on JR.

 

[Lazyking]

Isn't it obvious? Giving up on Dalpe so soon after giving up on Boychuk would just look poorly on JR.

How would it look poorly when he was right about Boychuk? Dalpe doesn't deserve to be protected.

 

[dogbazinho]

So JR being right on Boychuk is now a good thing? He drafted the guy and kept him entirely too long if he was right about him. Maybe he had no talent and we just wiffed at the draft or maybe we failed at his development but we certainly shouldn't commend Rutherford for this situation.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

So JR being right on Boychuk is now a good thing? He drafted the guy and kept him entirely too long if he was right about him. Maybe he had no talent and we just wiffed at the draft or maybe we failed at his development but we certainly shouldn't commend Rutherford for this situation.

I still can't help but wonder what would have happened if we had taken Eberle, Karlsson, or Gardiner instead of Boychuk with that pick.

 

[Lazyking]

So JR being right on Boychuk is now a good thing? He drafted the guy and kept him entirely too long if he was right about him. Maybe he had no talent and we just wiffed at the draft or maybe we failed at his development but we certainly shouldn't commend Rutherford for this situation.

No, but how is keeping Dalpe a good thing when he's shown even less at the NHL level then Boychuk? it only saves face if Dalpe by a miracle turns into a productive NHL player as a Hurricane.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

No, but how is keeping Dalpe a good thing when he's shown even less at the NHL level then Boychuk? it only saves face if Dalpe by a miracle turns into a productive NHL player as a Hurricane.

It's not that keeping Dalpe is a good thing. It's that a GM can't give up on two former first round picks, one after another, without their ability as a GM being questioned. And considering JR's ability as a GM should already be in question (if the team iced tonight is any indication), then there's no need for JR to add fuel to the fire of his own ritual burning.

 

[Lazyking]

He's already considered a joke. Besides, if he cares that much about how he's perceived by his peers, he shouldn't have the job.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I dunno, if JR was really afraid for his job, wouldn't he want to do anything to make this team better?

That would speak to Dalpe's worth as a prospect.

 

[DaveG]

Not really news, but Rutherford basically confirms that their first, 2nd and Dalpe specifically were off the table. Surprised he wouldn't even listen to any deal involving Dalpe given that he hasn't really done anything yet in his career. He should be waiver eligible next year, right?

Actually he's dead right about hanging onto our first, second, and even Dalpe. Where he was a ****ing moron is hanging onto LaRose, Brent, and Corvo, yet alone going out and acquiring Bergeron. This season has been a lost cause since Ward went down, I honestly don't know how he hasn't realized that.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

He's already considered a joke. Besides, if he cares that much about how he's perceived by his peers, he shouldn't have the job.

Not so much his peers, but by PK. Dalpe's pretty much JR's last hope in that 2008 draft.

Boychuk hasn't worked out (obviously), Jordan might be a #7 defenseman, Murphy's just itching to find ANYWHERE to play but Carolina, and I haven't even heard of their last pick (Samuel Morneau). Though I suppose for a 7th round guy, that's not surprising.

JR's pretty much got to hope Dalpe eventually pans out or that entire draft is a bust. And no matter how buddy-buddy JR is with PK, having an entire draft produce...nothing...isn't a good thing. Usually, you'd want at least 1 player to become a somewhat serviceable NHLer.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Where he was a ****ing moron is hanging onto LaRose, Brent, and Corvo, yet alone going out and acquiring Bergeron.

He was a moron for giving Corvo the NTC that made him untradeable.

I don't see Bergeron as a "moron" move. For a GM who isn't in a position to buy and doesn't have much to sell, and whose team is theoretically only a couple of wins out of a playoff spot, it makes sense to try and fix the team's biggest problem area at the expense of a 7th and a waiver pickup. Everyone was saying the PP was costing us wins, so he hedged his bets to try and jump-start a playoff run without giving up anything of real value.

As has often been the case this season, the problem seems to be on the resource-utilization front. Instead of scratching Westgarth and using Bergeron as a 7th dman and PP specialist, like every sane person on earth expected us to do, we continue to play Westgarth and send Bellemagic back to Charlotte so Bergeron could be gifted a top-6 spot (meritocracy!).

Last night we skated a pairing of Marc-Andre Bergeron and Bobby Sanguinetti in an actual regular season NHL hockey game. An authentic, employed NHL coach walked up to the whiteboard in his locker room, picked up a marker, and wrote "Bergeron-Sanguinetti". And this was not a movie, a video game, or a drug-induced hallucination. It really happened. In real life. And he says he expected to win that game.

 

[CanesAvs16]

I posted this in the other thread, but it seems more logical here:

I know most of the people on here are not big Dalpe fans, but just hear me out... we should just bring him up. I mean who is it going to hurt at this point? We are not making the playoffs. I think they should just work on getting him some NHL experience. Watching him in the AHL now, he has basically plateaued at that level, and nothing will change until we see the improvement here. I mean ****, we can't keep everyone we have now next year anyway (nor should we want to), so if they even think he has a chance of taking a spot on the Canes roster, why not utilize the time you have now?

 

[dogbazinho]

Why not? What's the worst that could happen? We lose more? Maybe Dalpe improves and becomes an actual legit NHLer and other teams actually want him.

 

[Bub]

Why not? What's the worst that could happen? We lose more? Maybe Dalpe improves and becomes an actual legit NHLer and other teams actually want him.

Agreed. Why not give some of these guys who are less-than-known-quantities a shot at a legitimate NHL experience? That is, if you consider this team right now a "legit NHL experience."

I understand wanting to keep up a good front for the more optimistic fans out there, but is there any sign that this team is going to turn this around and, I don't know, actually win a game or score a goal?

 

[Lazyking]

Agreed. Why not give some of these guys who are less-than-known-quantities a shot at a legitimate NHL experience? That is, if you consider this team right now a "legit NHL experience."

I understand wanting to keep up a good front for the more optimistic fans out there, but is there any sign that this team is going to turn this around and, I don't know, actually win a game or score a goal?

no but if by a some miracle, they won the next three games, They'd still be in it.

insane.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'm not in the boat of "bring up a bunch of young guys and let them get NHL experience". The team already has a plethora of young guys.

Does bringing up a young guy to play limited minutes in place of LaRose or Brent on the 4th line really do anything for their development? Heck, with the way this team is playing and how fragile they are, the "young" guys are probably better off playing in Charlotte where they are actually winning a few games and have a shot at the playoffs.

Dalpe already has 38 professional games. Can't see how playing a few more on a team that is terrible right now is better for his development than playing more minutes in a playoff chase environment in the AHL.

 

[DaveG]

I posted this in the other thread, but it seems more logical here:

I know most of the people on here are not big Dalpe fans, but just hear me out... we should just bring him up. I mean who is it going to hurt at this point? We are not making the playoffs. I think they should just work on getting him some NHL experience. Watching him in the AHL now, he has basically plateaued at that level, and nothing will change until we see the improvement here. I mean ****, we can't keep everyone we have now next year anyway (nor should we want to), so if they even think he has a chance of taking a spot on the Canes roster, why not utilize the time you have now?

That, right there, is the reason that I'm pissed we didn't ship out LaRose, Brent, etc for whatever garbage picks we can get for them. What does this team lose by bringing up Dalpe, Brett Sutter, Bellemore? Worst case we lose a few more games and end up with a top 3 pick, oh no. This team wasn't making the playoffs, not the way they've gone the last 3 weeks. Moving these deadweights out to give late season ice time to prospects is something that required even marginally creative thinking and long term planning. Something that JR apparently doesn't have.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That, right there, is the reason that I'm pissed we didn't ship out LaRose, Brent, etc for whatever garbage picks we can get for them. What does this team lose by bringing up Dalpe, Brett Sutter, Bellemore? Worst case we lose a few more games and end up with a top 3 pick, oh no. This team wasn't making the playoffs, not the way they've gone the last 3 weeks. Moving these deadweights out to give late season ice time to prospects is something that required even marginally creative thinking and long term planning. Something that JR apparently doesn't have.

I get what your saying, but I see the flipside that has merit. He sees what a ****storm this team currently is and wants to keep those guys in Charlotte where they'll actually be playing competitive hockey in fighting for the playoffs vs. adding them to this misery.

 

[tarheelhockey]

What does this team lose by bringing up Dalpe, Brett Sutter, Bellemore? Worst case we lose a few more games and end up with a top 3 pick, oh no.

Worst case, those guys turn out to be better than our NHL'ers and we win our way into the 10th pick, then turn around and sign LaRose and Brent to 3-year retread deals over the summer.

 

[dammit100]

man oh man, Bergeron is HORRRRRRIBLE

 

[Joe McGrath]

man oh man, Bergeron is HORRRRRRIBLE

Maybe that's the real reason JR traded for him. He's actually a hired gun to make sure they lose the rest of their games while passing it off as a move to fix the PP. genius.

 

[Ole Gil]

In the hypothetical world of an offensive 3rd line, I can imagine Dalpe finding a home.

Think Edmonton is still interested in McBain for Sam Gagner?