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Infomercials get better TV ratings than Florida Panthers games

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J17 Vs Proclamation

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Dado said:
Folks in Atlanta claim Atlanta is the worst.

Folks on Long Island claim the Islanders are the worst.

Folks in Arizona claimed Moyes was the worst.

Seem to be an awful lot of "bar none" worsts out there...maybe it's a sign the league needs to contract as clearly there just aren't enough competent owners for this many teams.
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All those teams have had more success than Florida (even if it is very mild).

No playoffs, no real spending and a revolving door of players, GM's and coaches.

As a Florida fan however, if we were contracted, i'd obviously be very upset, but i totally understand why it would happen. If we are in the same situation in 3-4 years time i wouldn't really be able to justify why Florida should stay if i were asked.
 
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Pauser said:
6 years ago?

The Edmonton Oilers have been by far the worst team in the NHL over the past 2 seasons and that's something not even the Florida Panthers can match. A couple years ago Florida finished tied in points with the 8th place Montreal Canadiens, yet there was no fan support. For several seasons before that, Florida finished above .500 and while out of the playoffs, reasonably close to making them.

Edmonton sells out, and has good ratings. Florida is a deserted arena with no ratings.
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Ok, so lets assume your constant negativity about these southern markets is warranted Pauser.

If the franchise is as hopeless as you would like to believe - if the owner is losing as much money as you would like to believe, why, with literally hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, has the team not petitioned for a move to one of the many extremely lucrative Canadian markets? For example, Halifax, as you suggested in a previous thread?

Can you do a little critical thinking and come up with some reasons for that? Or do you only go as far as "hockey does not belong in the south, move every franchise to Canada" - ?
 

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funky11 said:
I guarantee you that if the Canucks hadn't made the playoffs in 10 years their attendance would be terrible too.
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Attendance would likely suffer, no question. We need only go back to the late 90's to see that.

However, the games would probably have more than just friends and family watching on TV, the Canucks would still be front and centre in the sports pages, and people would still be talking hockey, buying NHL merchandise, etc.
 
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We are getting off topic here a bit.

The word is INFOMERCIALS. OMG.

When Joe Six Pack would rather plop down on the couch with his buddies and spend the night watching the Shamwow guy sell yellow cloth, instead of the Panthers playing hockey....YOU HAVE A SERIOUS MARKET PROBLEM!

And no amount of air-freshener is going to make it smell better.
 

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All those teams have had more success than Florida (even if it is very mild).

No playoffs.
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Panthers won a conference championship. Played in the Stanley Cup Finals.

Atlanta and Phoenix have never even gotten within a sniff of such an achievement, ever.
 

J17 Vs Proclamation

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cbcwpg said:
As of Apr 15, 2010

there were 3 teams with worse historical records than Florida.

Columbus
Atlanta
Tampa Bay

http://statshockey.homestead.com/alltimestandings.html
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Seeing as Columbus and Atlanta entered the league later, those stats aren't that useful. We're discussing the last 10 years here.

Clearly in the last ten years Tampa and Florida shouldn't even be in the same discussion. One has a cup and had a plethora of stars to watch. The other not so much. Atlanta has at least made the playoffs once. I'd be interested to see the stats relating to the last Ten years.
 
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cbcwpg said:
When Joe Six Pack would rather plop down on the couch with his buddies and spend the night watching the Shamwow guy sell yellow cloth, instead of the Panthers playing hockey....YOU HAVE A SERIOUS MARKET PROBLEM!
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That's just the problem with this thread, though. Joe Six Pack isn't the one watching informercials during prime time. We're talking South Florida, there's a demographic of elderly people (who ironically are largely from the north) who drive ratings for that kind of oddball programming. It has literally nothing to do with the success of local sports teams. They would be watching Shamwow commercials even if the Panthers were drawing a 20.0 and selling put every game.

The Panthers have bad ratings, but this is a silly way to pile on them for it.
 
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funky11 said:
I guarantee you that if the Canucks hadn't made the playoffs in 10 years their attendance would be terrible too.
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No....no it wouldn't be. Would it be sellouts every night at the current ticket prices? Probably not. But it absolutely would not be comparable to the ticket demand, or lack of it, for the Panthers.

Don't forget....there is a pretty big difference in ticket prices as well.
 

J17 Vs Proclamation

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Dado said:
You are the only one talking about a cherry-picked 10 years.

Plain simple fact - the Panthers have had more playoff success than either the Thrashers or Coyotes.

MUCH more.
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Cherry picked? We are talking about the LAST ten years. The most recent and thus most important time period to measure a team's health and stature.

What Florida did 14+ years ago has absolutely no bearing on now. The simple fact is - the last ten years, there are only two teams with no playoff appearances ; Florida and Columbus. Phoenix have their own set of issues, but in terms of on ice success, they obliterate Florida.

Unless of course you think its important to measure what happened 15 years ago.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
That's just the problem with this thread, though. Joe Six Pack isn't the one watching informercials during prime time. We're talking South Florida, there's a demographic of elderly people (who ironically are largely from the north) who drive ratings for that kind of oddball programming. It has literally nothing to do with the success of local sports teams. They would be watching Shamwow commercials even if the Panthers were drawing a 20.0 and selling put every game.

The Panthers have bad ratings, but this is a silly way to pile on them for it.
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What would you like to compare the Panthers' tv ratings to? What would be 'fair' in your mind?

Since comparing their ratings to infomercials isn't fair....how about we compare them to other sports teams?
So far this season, 82,191 homes have tuned in to Heat games on Sun Sports, on average, compared with 3,000 for Panthers games on FSN
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Is that a more accurate comparison?

It really is amazing how people can somehow defend these ratings or the shows their ratings are comparable to. Infomercials were likely used as a comparison because they are the ONLY other things on the air that are close to the horrendous ratings the Panthers get.
 

J17 Vs Proclamation

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Dado said:
Neither does what they did exactly 10 years ago.

Or 9.

Or 11.

Or etc.
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Well considering that is the last time they made the playoffs and is one of the longest droughts in NHL history, what other measurements are we suppose to use? It also ties in roughly with the last expansion period.
 

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The Florida Panthers came in in 1993

2 years from now, they will have been around for 20 years.

2013-1993= 20 years

Another 5 years from 2013. 2018. they will have been around for 25 years

Then at the end of the decade they will be close to 30 years old. At 30 years, they have been given enough leeway.
 
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Attendance would likely suffer, no question. We need only go back to the late 90's to see that.

However, the games would probably have more than just friends and family watching on TV, the Canucks would still be front and centre in the sports pages, and people would still be talking hockey, buying NHL merchandise, etc.
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The Canucks are also the only major team in the market.
 

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Melrose Munch said:
The Florida Panthers came in in 1993

2 years from now, they will have been around for 20 years.

Another 3 years from 2013. 2016. they will have been around for 25 years

Then at the end of the decade they will be 30 years old. At 30 years, they have been given enough leeway.
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Have you failed math?

20 + 3 = 25 ?
2020 - 1993 = 30 ?
 
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Melrose Munch said:
The Florida Panthers came in in 1993

2 years from now, they will have been around for 20 years.

Another 3 years from 2013. 2016. they will have been around for 25 years

Then at the end of the decade they will be 30 years old. At 30 years, they have been given enough leeway.
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Ummm....1993 + 25 = 2018 and 1993 + 30 = 2023 (assuming they will make it to 30 years).
 
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And people make fun of the Ottawa Senators for having "bad" attendance :laugh:. I'm gonna pull this card next time people say that a Canadian team can't draw... what a joke the NHL is :biglaugh:
 
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