Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) XLVII
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Not that I want Kadri (especially in a deal for ROR), but Roy has coached players with similar attitudes and succeeded with them. IMO he would be a great coach for Kadri.
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Duchene2MacKinnon
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I wouldn't be mad if he gets 6, considering the cap is going up, but I hope he gets 5.5 max. He's such a good hockey player.
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So we've gone from the Gardiner for Duchene proposals Leaf fans were throwing around two years ago to Gardiner for O'Reilly. I really wish the Leafs would just find themselves a center so their fans obsession with our players can end.
Your logic is just terrible. You're examining the Kessel trade and finding players with equivalent value to the pieces given up for him, throwing those pieces together, then saying you've created a fair proposal for O'Reilly? Every trade is completely different. I watched Mason Raymond for years in Vancouver, no thank you. He's fast and plays to the outside, not at all what the Avs need. Jake Gardiner has been massively overrated by Leaf fans for a long time(anyone else remember those excellent Niedermayer comparisons by some on the main boards??), I would love to have him, but not at the cost of O'Reilly. He's not what the Avs need at all. The Avs need a defensman capable of playing alongside EJ against other teams best lines on a nightly basis or a guy capable of anchoring the second pairing right now. If it's O'Reilly being moved, it will be the former, not the latter. Tossing in a few mediocre prospects is typical HF mentality; Three quarters are worth a dollar!!
Like I said, examining a trade that occurred years ago and then attempting to put together a package essentially using logic like this is pretty bad: Well, Player A returned X, X, and Y, so therefore if we want Player B, who I don't think is worth as much as Player A when he was traded, I'll offer just X and Y and it will be completely fair!
Almost went to Calgary? How do you know that? The Avs turned down the offer sheet compensation, and no, they did not match last second. Teams have 7 days to match an offer sheet and the Avs matched the day it was made, hours after in fact. It took almost no deliberation to turn the offer sheet down, please get your facts straight,.
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I just think Duchene has earned more than ROR, so Duchene should get more. ROR at 5.9 per for 5-8 years would be fine with me. Though I would prefer something closer to 5.5.
I agree, I don't think anyone on the team should be making more cash than Dutchy. 5.5 for O'Reilly and 5 for Stastny
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No it would not. Many won't like hearing this but Kadri is a perimeter player and you rarely win with those kinds of guys. Why do you think he's even available? I don't care how many points he puts up, he's like Mike Ribiero/Martin Rucinsky. You just don't win with guys like that and the Leafs know it.
To think, he wanted $6M per year before the season started. LOL
Gardiner is alright but nowhere near where Leaf fans believe his value is at. He's supposed to be an offensive d-man but is on pace to finish the season with 24 points. When you consider that his defensive game is nothing to write home about, why exactly would the Avs be forking over the established top-6 forward for a couple of 'maybes'??
Don't kid yourselves, there are reasons why these players are available and it's not because the Leafs are ready to contend now and they are willing to part with their young talent. They've seen significant flaws in both of those guys game and are now trying to sell high.
If he asks for 6M after having a 50-55p season again, I'd rather re-sign Stastny and trade ROR for a kings ransom on defence. Sorry but being a 50-55 point guy with a great two-way game does not qualify for being paid 6.0M. Landy-money at best.
tigervixxxen
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ROR is part of the core and an important part of the team. It's not worth it to haggle over 500k when they are not even a cap team with the cap going up. Logically one could argue 6 is too high but salaries are just going to go up and up with the cap rising. I don't think they'd ever get proper value in return for ROR anyway. Just pay him and turn the page.
Yupp. Anyone who thinks he should earn more is out to lunch. He's done absolutely nothing to earn Duchene money and also nothing to earn more than Landeskog. Landeskog and O'Reilly are very similar in the sense that they will provide similar statistical offence (55-60 points on average, hopefully more when they're a bit older) and are great defensively. Don't see a reason to sign O'Reilly for more than Landeskog. Duchene has proved he can be perform like a top 10 player in the NHL, let's not forget this.
tigervixxxen
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I never said he should earn more, it's about keeping the big picture in mind. It's a nice thought to keep everyone under Duchene money, it's simply not going to happen. When MacKinnon and EJ need new deals they are going to consider market value at the time, which could very well be over 6. Do we want either to walk/ship away from the team if they can't get a deal less than Duchene? Same thing with O'Reilly. The market is going to be different next summer if you want to believe it or not. And really, what's the point of absolutely no way paying XYZ player no more than an arbitrary figure of money? Are the Avs in cap trouble? Are they going to have to trade someone away because O'Reilly got 500k more than you think he's worth? Do you sleep better at night knowing the Avs have over 10 million in cap space doing nothing? He's got to commit to the Avs by signing a long term deal but really the sum of money should be a nonissue.
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The worst thing with O'Reilly situation is that we could have him locked for next 3 years for 5 millions per and the whole O'Reilly saga didn't appear at all. I think Sherman screw this up big time, we have to pay him 3,5 (minus what he lost because of lockout) and 6,5 and I don't think he signs for 5 millions per year in a new contract. I hope this time Roy enforce deal with Ryan and we don't have to see any arbitration or something like that. I hope we'll see some AVS extension during the Olympics and they don't wait until end of the season.
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Theoretically Sherman was a GM of this team, but your point is valid
Funny thing, after Josh/Joe/Pat triumvirate was established, but Sherman stays as GM I read comments that he is highest paid coffee server in the World. Looks like it's easy to say he was coffee server much earlier 
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O'Reilly will be re-signed. Hopefully it will happen without him and his agents being ***** about it. I can't see it play out all that well in the dressing room if he wants to position himself above Duchene and Landeskog salary wise after what happened last year. Time to be a team player.
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