Rumor: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics) LXXXIV

[Bubba Thudd]

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[dahrougem2]

Brad Stuart was also traded for to play on the top pairing with EJ, if we're to take Roy's word for it. Just because he says Cliche was signed to be the 13th forward doesn't automatically make him so. He still has to actually win a job at training camp, and if he doesn't, Roy isn't going to keep him up forcefully just because it's Cliche and he has an NHL contract and said he's the 13th forward a year ago. Things change, Cliche's position is not set in stone. I fully expect a heated battle for bottom 6 positions next season. If ROR is kept, the top-6 will likely be ROR, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Duchene, Iginla, and McGinn/Tanguay. Meaning the following players will be competing for 7 roster spots:

Tanguay/McGinn
Everberg
Mitchell
Rendulic
Hishon
Winchester
McLeod
Bordeleau
Cliche
Hamilton
Caron (If re-signed)
Bleackley

And that doesn't even include a forward they could sign in free agency to come in and compete for a spot or to replace Winchester if he retires. Going to be at least 10 players, and possibly as much as 15 players depending on free agents/draftees/AHL prospects fighting for 7 forward slots on the bottom two lines. Cliche's job is far from safe

 

[tigervixxxen]

Hope springs eternal

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Brad Stuart was also traded for to play on the top pairing with EJ, if we're to take Roy's word for it. Just because he says Cliche was signed to be the 13th forward doesn't automatically make him so. He still has to actually win a job at training camp, and if he doesn't, Roy isn't going to keep him up forcefully just because it's Cliche and he has an NHL contract and said he's the 13th forward a year ago. Things change, Cliche's position is not set in stone. I fully expect a heated battle for bottom 6 positions next season. If ROR is kept, the top-6 will likely be ROR, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Duchene, Iginla, and McGinn/Tanguay. Meaning the following players will be competing for 7 roster spots:

Tanguay/McGinn
Everberg
Mitchell
Rendulic
Hishon
Winchester
McLeod
Bordeleau
Cliche
Hamilton
Caron (If re-signed)
Bleackley

And that doesn't even include a forward they could sign in free agency to come in and compete for a spot or to replace Winchester if he retires. Going to be at least 10 players, and possibly as much as 15 players depending on free agents/draftees/AHL prospects fighting for 7 forward slots on the bottom two lines. Cliche's job is far from safe

Tanguay, Mcginn, Mitchell, Winchester(if healthy), and McLeod can be removed from that list since they have spots locked down.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Tanguay, Mcginn, Mitchell, Winchester(if healthy), and McLeod can be removed from that list since they have spots locked down.

Everberg is a lock, too.

 

[InjuredChoker]

christopher curtis ‏@titocurtis 9m9 minutes ago
Bergevin says being a GM "not like playing Playstation. I played last night, made a trade, called the same GM this morning and he hung up."

 

[cgf]

christopher curtis ‏@titocurtis 9m9 minutes ago
Bergevin says being a GM "not like playing Playstation. I played last night, made a trade, called the same GM this morning and he hung up."

and now Bergevin has a new fan, "called the same GM this morning and he hung up" that's great.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Gimme some Jay Beagle.

 

[StayAtHomeAv]

Brad Stuart was also traded for to play on the top pairing with EJ, if we're to take Roy's word for it. Just because he says Cliche was signed to be the 13th forward doesn't automatically make him so. He still has to actually win a job at training camp, and if he doesn't, Roy isn't going to keep him up forcefully just because it's Cliche and he has an NHL contract and said he's the 13th forward a year ago. Things change, Cliche's position is not set in stone. I fully expect a heated battle for bottom 6 positions next season. If ROR is kept, the top-6 will likely be ROR, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Duchene, Iginla, and McGinn/Tanguay. Meaning the following players will be competing for 7 roster spots:

Tanguay/McGinn
Everberg
Mitchell
Rendulic
Hishon
Winchester
McLeod
Bordeleau
Cliche
Hamilton
Caron (If re-signed)
Bleackley

And that doesn't even include a forward they could sign in free agency to come in and compete for a spot or to replace Winchester if he retires. Going to be at least 10 players, and possibly as much as 15 players depending on free agents/draftees/AHL prospects fighting for 7 forward slots on the bottom two lines. Cliche's job is far from safe

Cliche's job is safe. Only guy that makes sense to keep as a 13th forward. The others would be better suited in the AHL playing lots of minutes and further developing.

 

[lonelybadger]

As much as I think Cliche is not nhl player, I am fine with him as a 13 forward to sit in the press box. He seems to give a pretty good effort and doesn't complain.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Gimme some Jay Beagle.

Out of curiosity where would you want him to play? I declared my love for him in the last thread but others didn't think he was good enough to be a 3rd line centre but I imagined him right between Mcginn and Everberg on our 3rd line.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Out of curiosity where would you want him to play? I declared my love for him in the last thread but others didn't think he was good enough to be a 3rd line centre but I imagined him right between Mcginn and Everberg on our 3rd line.

Well, our 3rd line C isn't your typical bottom 6 C. Mitchell doesn't defend very well, isn't a PK specialist, isn't a faceoff specialist, etc. He's a poor man's 2nd liner that plays on the 3rd line. With that said, Beagle as our 4th line C would be ideal. Big, strong body, very good on faceoffs and penalty killing. I think he'd fit like a glove.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Well, our 3rd line C isn't your typical bottom 6 C. Mitchell doesn't defend very well, isn't a PK specialist, isn't a faceoff specialist, etc. He's a poor man's 2nd liner that plays on the 3rd line. With that said, Beagle as our 4th line C would be ideal. Big, strong body, very good on faceoffs and penalty killing. I think he'd fit like a glove.

I personally want Mitchell as the 4th line centre. You described in perfectly by saying he had a poor man 2nd liner skillset but with the correct wingers (McLeod and Winchester/Bordeleau) He can hog the puck and gain possession all day in the offensive zone. The other guys can crash and bang while Mitchell adds more skill than any other 4th liner in the league while also being good enough defensively to play that role.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Also, sign Tarasenko to an offer sheet just for the lulz.

 

[henchman21]

I think it would be a good idea to try to balance out the 3rd and 4th lines next year and Beagle would help with that. But honestly, Winchester (if healthy enough to play) would do the same sort of thing.

A stronger 4th line would give Hishon a chance to find his way as the 3rd line center. I'm not real hopeful of that happening, but it would increase his chances.

 

[InjuredChoker]

Also, sign Tarasenko to an offer sheet just for the lulz.

would have to be pretty huge offer sheet for him to accept and not a fan of giving blues our next 4 1st rounders..

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I think it would be a good idea to try to balance out the 3rd and 4th lines next year and Beagle would help with that. But honestly, Winchester (if healthy enough to play) would do the same sort of thing.

A stronger 4th line would give Hishon a chance to find his way as the 3rd line center. I'm not real hopeful of that happening, but it would increase his chances.

We can't have Hishion as our 3C. Just not a good fit. Take a look at the other teams in the Western Conference and the big boys they are rolling out at 3C. Joey has some skill, but if he can't become a top 6 forward, then he shouldn't have a spot on this team. Having Hishon/Mitchell as 3rd and 4th Cs is a joke, to be completely honest.

Give me a time machine and bring back Chris Gratton.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

would have to be pretty huge offer sheet for him to accept and not a fan of giving blues our next 4 1st rounders..

Of course it's just fantasy, but they'd find a way to match him and move out other pieces. I'd like to see the new Tarasenko contract cripple that team for years to come.

 

[Avsboy]

I think RoR is being traded for a top defenseman, so these would be my ideal lines:

Tanguay-Duchene-Iginla
Landeskog-Hishon-Mackinnon
McGinn-Mitchell-Fehr
Everberg-Winchester-Mcleod
Bordeleau

If RoR isn't traded, just bump all the centers down one except Duchene

I'm obsessed with making lines.

 

[henchman21]

We can't have Hishion as our 3C. Just not a good fit. Take a look at the other teams in the Western Conference and the big boys they are rolling out at 3C. Joey has some skill, but if he can't become a top 6 forward, then he shouldn't have a spot on this team. Having Hishon/Mitchell as 3rd and 4th Cs is a joke, to be completely honest.

Give me a time machine and bring back Chris Gratton.

I just said it would give him a chance (not that it is the best idea... I'm on the Soderberg train there), meaning that the only way Hishon gets a spot is if the 4th line is pretty good... almost a 3rd line. Hishon isn't going to be a wing in the NHL and he isn't getting a top 6 center spot on this team ever. The only chance he has on the Avs is the #3C spot.

Only Hishon lineup I see as the team is currently constructed:

Landy-ROR-MacK
Tangs-Duchene-Iggy
McGinn-Hishon-Everberg
McLeod-Winchester (or insert different #4C that is close to a #3C level) -Mitchell

Beyond that, I don't see him having much of a shot with the Avs.

The Hawks are consistently one of the top teams in the West and they don't have a big #3C... While I agree I'd rather have a bigger #3, it can be done without one. I'm more concerned with our top 6 size.

 

[Ararana]

Of course it's just fantasy, but they'd find a way to match him and move out other pieces. I'd like to see the new Tarasenko contract cripple that team for years to come.

Exactly, I hope someone signs him with the hope of STL matching and crippling themselves. I know GMs all eventually have to play ball with each other, but I'm surprised offer sheets aren't used more strategically like that. It's a gamble, but I can't see STL not matching.

 

[henchman21]

Of course it's just fantasy, but they'd find a way to match him and move out other pieces. I'd like to see the new Tarasenko contract cripple that team for years to come.

I'm pretty sure his contract will come close to doing that without an offersheet.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I don't think we can afford Soderberg, as much as I want him. Who knows, maybe Bleackley has a huge camp and cracks the squad. I know he most likely needs another year and maybe even an AHL season after that but if he has a good enough camp Roy will put him in. And to some people's surprise, Red Deer hosting the MEM next year has absolutely nothing to do with where Roy wants Bleackley playing. If he's good enough = NHL if not = WHL. Likely the latter but i'm just saying..

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Oh and if we're talking offer sheets we shoud be talking Tyler Toffoli, not Tarasenko. We cant afford to pay 9 million or give up 4 1st rounders. We can afford to put LA in troube though while adding more speed and net crashing to our team. I think he'd look great with Duchene.

 

[Bender]

Cliche's job is safe. Only guy that makes sense to keep as a 13th forward. The others would be better suited in the AHL playing lots of minutes and further developing.

I dunno about that. While I think Roy and the Avs like him even though he doesn't bring much, at some point you have to come to the realization that you need to get something from your bottom 6 guys.

He's just not really getting any better. He is what he is and that's a fringe NHLer at best.

Remember, the Avs could easily send down Cliche and Guenin and not even have it count against our cap (contract slot - yes but we can bury up to $900k in the AHL without it counting). Before you suggest, yeah but they won't do that! I'm not as sure. They did do it with Hunwick the year prior and kept him down all year except for 1 game and I was also surprised by the Talbot trade to Boston. I was pretty sure that he was one of Roy's favourites and they shipped him off without much fanfare.

Avs management have to know that it's not JUST the fact that we 'didn't start the season on time' it's also the fact that we need to upgrade our defense and get secondary scoring from our bottom lines to be successful (as well as have a working Power Play, obviously).