The team had been floundering since trading away Hasek. They had two great seasons following the lockout, two other playoff appearances in 2010 and 2011 that were first round exits and seven seasons missing the playoffs. Whatever the team was doing simply wasn't working to build a perennial contender so I was and still am okay with trying to build a team through high draft picks and selling off players to acquire more assets. Obviously things haven't gone as most would have hoped and whether we had realistic expectations or not is another discussion. The team's heart was in the right place and we'll see how they fare over the next seven years with Eichel as to the success of the rebuild.
In Hindsight: Are you still on board with the rebuild if you had known where we would be at today?
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haseoke39
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"The rebuild" means so many different things that I don't know what we can say about it all together.
Everyone is probably fine with the idea of selling off members of the 2000's core for futures.
>50% of people are probably fine with the tank.
Nobody is probably fine with the "acceleration" generally, but if you counted the ROR portion of it specifically, it would probably have >50% of the board still as fans, whatever that means.
Everybody surely has a pet list of moves that they hated specifically.
No one is fine in the big picture, but everyone's pissed about something different, and nobody would say the solution was to re-sign Miller, Poms, and Vanek and keep trying.
Everyone is probably fine with the idea of selling off members of the 2000's core for futures.
>50% of people are probably fine with the tank.
Nobody is probably fine with the "acceleration" generally, but if you counted the ROR portion of it specifically, it would probably have >50% of the board still as fans, whatever that means.
Everybody surely has a pet list of moves that they hated specifically.
No one is fine in the big picture, but everyone's pissed about something different, and nobody would say the solution was to re-sign Miller, Poms, and Vanek and keep trying.
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I think we were headed for the bottom regardless. The Rochester core was finished. Nothing in the pipeline.
Biggest difference is Lindy may have kept them competitive.
Biggest difference is Lindy may have kept them competitive.
I didn't mind the tear down and realized it would take time. What I didn't like was the frivolous trading of the assets which should have been the cornerstone of the rebuild.
Djp
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:face palm: :bang head:
Remember the 1st TM draft was 2014. The earliest you see anyone outside an early 1st would be next year. 2014 was a weak draft class.
A metric ton of assets??? The only asset was Zadorov in the ROR. The others were dine a dozen 3rd/4th line players.
JLewyB
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Is this post for real?
In no real order but my memory
2 2015 1st along with the first pick in the 2nd
2 2nds and Brayden McNabb
Mark pysyk
Compher and Zadorov
Brendan Lemeuix(should have been barbashev)
Joel Armia
A second for Josh Gorges
Bogo for Myers
Moulson contract
Ennis’s contract(essentially Pom contract)
What do we have left from this?
RoR
Fasching
Bogo
One year of Moulsons contract
Lehner(probably gone hopefully)
And sure I’ll give you Asplund but that also cost a 2nd and a 3rd
A 2nd that might turn into a first.
AustonsNostrils
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The rebuild/tank was absolutely the right strategy. Pegula ultimately is to blame for how poorly it's gone to this point - he hired a team president off a 10 minute meeting at a charity dinner, who hired a GM and then quit when the GM he hired had different ideas on how to rebuild. Wonderful way to begin such a major rebuild. Then Pegula replaces the president with the president of his football team who knows nothing about the hockey world.
The GM completes his tank mission successfully, two guided landings directly into the side of a mountain. He tries to speed up the process and makes 2 big trades, 3 if we include Lehner's, costing us prospects and draft picks. We lose TWO first round draft picks, that has to be the most irresponsible thing ever done in a rebuild.
He also hires a terrible coach after the owner makes a big effort to hire the best coach in the game but fails, no fault there. The GM does a good job with the draft we think but draft picks take time to develop so all we had was Reinhart and Eichel from the tank seasons. Onward we went, er downward we went, which netted us another top 10 draft pick and it's clear now as it was then the GM erred by not drafting any one of 3 young defensemen who were available for a skilled winger. Pegula and the president take stock of the team and this rebuild that appears to be going sideways and they fire the GM and the terrible coach.
Pegula hires a a highly regarded young AGM from a Stanley Cup winning organization to his first GM job who then hires a highly regarded coach from a successful organization to his first head coaching job.
And this time rather than a guided landing into the side of a mountain we dropped both engines, one of the wings fell off and we crashed smack into the side of another mountain.
And here we are, stranded on the mountain, waiting for help.
I knew the rebuild wasn't going to be quick, but I got caught up in Murray's switch of plans, this season shouldn't have happened, we should have been on our way up the standings in Year 5 of the rebuild. I have some hope, this awful season means we have a very good chance of picking up another young elite talent, possibly even a franchise player who will play as soon as October. Added to a pretty impressive core of Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Ristolainen, Scandella with a crop of prospects beginning to arrive like Guhle, Nelson, Rodrigues things could turn around fast and in the end the rebuild will have been successful in a not so unreasonable amount of time - 6-7 years.
The GM completes his tank mission successfully, two guided landings directly into the side of a mountain. He tries to speed up the process and makes 2 big trades, 3 if we include Lehner's, costing us prospects and draft picks. We lose TWO first round draft picks, that has to be the most irresponsible thing ever done in a rebuild.
He also hires a terrible coach after the owner makes a big effort to hire the best coach in the game but fails, no fault there. The GM does a good job with the draft we think but draft picks take time to develop so all we had was Reinhart and Eichel from the tank seasons. Onward we went, er downward we went, which netted us another top 10 draft pick and it's clear now as it was then the GM erred by not drafting any one of 3 young defensemen who were available for a skilled winger. Pegula and the president take stock of the team and this rebuild that appears to be going sideways and they fire the GM and the terrible coach.
Pegula hires a a highly regarded young AGM from a Stanley Cup winning organization to his first GM job who then hires a highly regarded coach from a successful organization to his first head coaching job.
And this time rather than a guided landing into the side of a mountain we dropped both engines, one of the wings fell off and we crashed smack into the side of another mountain.
And here we are, stranded on the mountain, waiting for help.
I knew the rebuild wasn't going to be quick, but I got caught up in Murray's switch of plans, this season shouldn't have happened, we should have been on our way up the standings in Year 5 of the rebuild. I have some hope, this awful season means we have a very good chance of picking up another young elite talent, possibly even a franchise player who will play as soon as October. Added to a pretty impressive core of Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Mittelstadt, Ristolainen, Scandella with a crop of prospects beginning to arrive like Guhle, Nelson, Rodrigues things could turn around fast and in the end the rebuild will have been successful in a not so unreasonable amount of time - 6-7 years.
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Kind of funny how people have no problem with Ehrhoff being bought out, when he essentially was going to be the #1 LD until one of the guys MIGHT be ready to take that place. Kind of funny nobody has an issue with Hodgson being bought out when he was going to be our #1 center until someone stepped up. Why is that?
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Hodgson had 13 pts in 78GP in his last season in Buffalo.
He wasn't the 1C.
The next season the Sabres had Eichel and ROR.
pigpen65
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Toronto did it with a big money long term core of Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, and Clarkson.
They won the lottery and got an elite talent like us. They tanked on purpose just like we did but had the luck on their side. They would be a different team with Laine.
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struckbyaparkedcar
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yea, Hodgson was mostly a bottom 6 player that last season. Nolan hated him....
Look at those Hodgson numbers... yuck.... and then remember that those are the numbers Girgensons puts up playing with Eichel and ROR....
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