Speculation: In-Game Differences With New Coach?

[McCauleyChirps]

Minus the jokes -

I think we see a more players coach. Derek Whitmore and James van Riemsdyk have already tweeted their congratulations as a great coach and even a greater person.

 

[Zip15]

It's disingenuous to set the 10 game minimum when 8 games counts as half of a full season played .

Even so, I have him coming up further down the list. Are we checking different sources?


He's not a defensive liability like a good number of our forwards are, but he's hardly the driving force behind defensive success on his line.

It's not disingenuous when there is no 8-game field on behindthenet

 

[SabreBlood]

And yet, for one reason or another, teams aren't scoring with him on the ice. Perhaps there's a reason for that. Perhaps it's a wonderful coincidence. But that's what the numbers are saying.

Because goals are rarely scored when bottom 6 forwards are are facing bottom 6 forwards. I already explained this to you.

 

[Zip15]

Because goals are rarely scored when 4th liners are facing 4th liners. I already explained this to you.

Yet he's middle of the pack in QualComp. So you're wrong.

 

[Zman5778]

Because goals are rarely scored when bottom 6 forwards are are facing bottom 6 forwards. I already explained this to you.

Huh?

When coaches line-match, they often put their best defensive line (OFTEN a line consisting of "bottom 6" forwards) against the opposition's top line.

In no game does line 1 play line 2, line 2 play line 2....etc......

 

[SabreBlood]

Yet he's middle of the pack in QualComp. So you're wrong.

Ooooo middle of the pack in QualComp.

I must have missed all those shifts that Ruff was using Hecht's line to shut down those scoring lines.

Hecht sucks. Get over it.

 

[misterchainsaw]

Yet he's middle of the pack in QualComp. So you're wrong.

Hecht may not be the same offensive player (ok, he's not at all the same offensive player) but he still knows how to retain the puck along the boards and get it out of the zone, as well as where he's supposed to be defensively.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if his minutes didn't go down all that much - that's more a commentary on the deficiencies of this roster than anything else though.

 

[Zman5778]

I must have missed all those shifts that Ruff was using Hecht's line to shut down those scoring lines.

You seriously must have. B/C Lindy has been doing it quite regularly.

 

[SabreBlood]

Huh?

When coaches line-match, they often put their best defensive line (OFTEN a line consisting of "bottom 6" forwards) against the opposition's top line.

In no game does line 1 play line 2, line 2 play line 2....etc......

Wake me up when Hecht is facing the Crosbys, Malkins, Tavares's, Staals, etc of the Eastern Conference.

At least now we know he won't be because Ruff is finally gone.

 

[enthusiast]

It's not disingenuous when there is no 8-game field on behindthenet

12-13 season is a decent substitute

 

[SabreBlood]

You seriously must have. B/C Lindy has been doing it quite regularly.

Prove it.

 

[Zman5778]

Wake me up when Hecht is facing the Crosbys, Malkins, Tavares's, Staals, etc of the Eastern Conference.

At least now we know he won't be because Ruff is finally gone.

He WAS on Crosby/Malkin Sunday. He WAS on the Staals. He WAS on Tavares.


And Rolston's no dummy, it's likely to continue.

 

[Zip15]

So when we get to pick the matchups, he plays 4th liners? When the opponents pick the matchups he plays 4th liners? I assume you're ignoring we get to pick his competition only 50% of the time.

 

[enthusiast]

So when we get to pick the matchups, he plays 4th liners? When the opponents pick the matchups he plays 4th liners? I assume you're ignoring we get to pick his competition only 50% of the time.

They know who he belongs with

 

[Zman5778]

Prove it.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TV020212.HTM

www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TH020212.HTM

Shift 2 of the game -- Hecht vs. Malkin


Do I need to go on, or are you capable of looking for yourself?

 

[SabreBlood]

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TV020212.HTM

www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20122013/TH020212.HTM

Shift 2 of the game -- Hecht vs. Malkin


Do I need to go on, or are you capable of looking for yourself?

All 17 seconds!

You got me!

 

[SabreBlood]

So when we get to pick the matchups, he plays 4th liners? When the opponents pick the matchups he plays 4th liners? I assume you're ignoring we get to pick his competition only 50% of the time.

Quick shift changes are obviously not impossible.

It should be 0% of the time.

 

[dire wolf]

Why do people want the team's top forward blocking shots with his shins, his skates, and the rest of his body? I've never understood the fascination with people wanting Vanek on the PK. Because he may score a shortie once in a blue moon? Great. Lotta consolation that'll be when he breaks a bone blocking a shot.

Thank you. That's what I've been saying.

 

[enthusiast]

Can I tap out of this one, Zip ? I don't want to get lumped.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Why do people want the team's top forward blocking shots with his shins, his skates, and the rest of his body? I've never understood the fascination with people wanting Vanek on the PK. Because he may score a shortie once in a blue moon? Great. Lotta consolation that'll be when he breaks a bone blocking a shot.

I think a lot of that sentiment comes from how damn stingy Ruff was with icetime. PK time at least represented pretty much the only viable way in a Lindy Ruff system for arguably our best forward to get the 18-20 minutes a night he was on record as wanting and that are played by every one of his comparables.

 

[Zman5778]

All 17 seconds!

You got me!

That's ONE shift...........if you look, there are MULTIPLE instances where Hecht is up against Crosby and/or Malkin.

Which kinda implies that Ruff used him specifically against them at points.

 

[Paxon]

The most obvious questions:

- Does Grigs come back and start playing regularly? On the 4th line? PP time? Sent back to minors?

- Is Scott still an every day player?

- Will Brennan become an everyday player due to his familiarity with the coach / likely belief in his PP abilities?

- Does Hecht remain on the 3rd line or do they shake that up (Grigs or even Porter)?

- Defensive pairings (Good luck, Mr. Rolston)

 

[Zip15]

In case anyone was wondering who Hecht's most common ES opponent was last night: Evander Kane.

Some 4th line competition.

 

[Paxon]

In case anyone was wondering who Hecht's most common ES opponent was last night: Evander Kane.

Some 4th line competition.

Ever since Grigs was taken off the 3rd line, it's pretty clear Ruff constructed a typical checking 3rd line around Hecht and they've been used as such. They haven't blown me away but they've done their job defensively. Don't understand why people are arguing about you with this.

Hecht looks about toast on offense but he's still doing his job defensively. I wouldn't mind if he gets bumped to the 4th line if they decide to change the construction and purpose of the 3rd line, but right now he's doing the job as specified as well as anyone else on this roster would.

 

[thefifagod]

In case anyone was wondering who Hecht's most common ES opponent was last night: Evander Kane.

Some 4th line competition.

Was just looking that up myself, well done. I don't see how anyone can be ripping Hecht for his defense. Offensively, sure, there's virtually nothing there right now. But the other team is rarely scoring when he's playing and it's not purely coincidence.

Edit: Rob Paxon says it better than me above.