Proposal: Improving the Penguins defense (Trouba and Goligoski)

[Toby Flenderson]

Kessel and Maatta for Goligoski, Merkely, 14th OA

Schultz, Hallander, 14th OA (AZ 2019 1st) for Trouba (agrees to extend roughly 6 years x 7m or so)


-The Kessel to coyotes for 14th OA and a young forward has been discussed a lot. This version has the swap of Maatta and Goligoski as well. Gogo has the better offensive output, but Maatta is younger and cheaper so AZ saves also cap which might intrigue them.

-Gauging Trouba’s value is very hard on hfboards. But I think the jets get good value here. If Trouba and Myers both leave, they will be left with just Buff on the right side which is a problem for a contending team. Schultz is a really solid top 4 RHD that can jump into Trouba’s spot. He’s got 1 year left at 5.25m, so the jets will save cap and can decide whether or not to re-sign him after. The 14th pick is pretty solid, and is the highest pick that Hamilton got a few years ago when he was in a similar situation. I’ve heard that the Jets are interested in center or D prospects, so they also get Hallander who is a 2nd round pick from a year ago and looks good.


Penguins new and improved defense:

Dumoulin-Letang
Goligoski-Trouba
Pettersson-Addison

Johnson and Gud get bought out or sent to the minors or something b/c they are awful.

Thoughts?

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[PensandCaps]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

Jets don’t exactly have the negotiating advantages and it doesn’t matter if Jets match if he doesn’t want to be there

 

[King Woodballs]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

He doesn’t want to be in Winnipeg. They could offer him 9+ and he may not take it

 

[Toby Flenderson]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

Why is that not enough for trouba?

Hamilton got 14th OA and 2 2nds.

Trouba for 14th OA, Hallander, and Schultz isn’t enough? Schultz is worth at least a late 1st on his own.

And I think 7m is fair

 

[Hunter368]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

When Trouba held out, Chevy confirmed a contract wasn't even discussed.......not about money he just wants to play in the USA (rumour) and likely one of Wings, Panthers, Flyers, Rangers or Bolts all have been linked to rumours to him in the past, all fill his desire of American, big market and Jets do hold some leverage dispite what some might hope/think. Rental offers won't get him traded, if rental offers only thing offered Chevy is better off keeping him one more year as our own rental.......only offers greater then one year rental offers would be considered (meaning trade/sign deal benefits all parties especially Trouba). Doesn't mean it will happen, just most logical......but timing is everything. Fun summer ahead.

IMO Trouba will get a new long term deal from someone that starts with a 7.

PS, this deal isn't all that interesting.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

He doesn’t want to be in Winnipeg. They could offer him 9+ and he may not take it

Yeah I agree. What do you think about the value?

Trading trouba and not getting a replacement D doesn’t make sense for a contender, Schultz is pretty good and you get a solid pick and prospect.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

When Trouba held out, Chevy confirmed a contract wasn't even discussed.......not about money he just wants to play in the USA (rumour) and likely one of Wings, Panthers, Flyers, Rangers or Bolts all have been linked to rumours to him in the past, all fill his desire of American, big market and Jets do hold some leverage dispite what some might hope/think. Rental offers won't get him traded, if rental offers only thing offered Chevy is better off keeping him one more year as our own rental.......only offers greater then one year rental offers would be considered (meaning trade/sign deal benefits all parties especially Trouba). Doesn't mean it will happen, just most logical......but timing is everything. Fun summer ahead.

IMO Trouba will get a new long term deal from someone that starts with a 7.

PS, this deal isn't all that interesting.

Schultz is a rental, but he would replace Trouba’s offensive output pretty admirably. And you get the 14th pick and a solid prospect. I think that benefits the Jets more than keeping him and letting him walk.

I could be wrong tho I’m not saying they need to do it haha just my opinion

 

[Snowman]

No thanks from Winnipeg. Trouba will get a better return than this easily.

 

[Adam da bomb]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

Jets can't lock him up for any number. He wants out of Winnipeg Period. It's as good as the offers we are getting from Detroit, or any other fan base. Show me a better offer on this board for him.

 

[rt]

Kessel and Maatta for Goligoski, Merkely, 14th OA

Thoughts?

Arizona should have no interest in Maatta.

 

[domaug]

Pens shouldn't have interest in Goligoski. those days are over.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

How are you dumping JJ and Maata? Are you including your 1sts?

 

[Hunter368]

Schultz is a rental, but he would replace Trouba’s offensive output pretty admirably. And you get the 14th pick and a solid prospect. I think that benefits the Jets more than keeping him and letting him walk.

I could be wrong tho I’m not saying they need to do it haha just my opinion

Opinions are all good, that's why we all come here. Your offer is basically saying the Jets in their peek window to contend should significantly downgrade from Trouba to Schultz (both same term) and the Pens would compensate the Jets for this down grade with middle pack 1st Rd pick and a 2nd Rd prospect.

Top pairing RHD traded at the TDL (20 games or so only) like Trouba would easily get a mid to late 1st, 2nd Rd pick.....maybe more.

Is your offer brutal? No

Does your offer great/good? No

Could a Trouba trade end up similar? Maybe, time will tell. Personally I would keep kicking tires if I was Chevy looking for a better deal.......its debatable if I would do it or not or just keep Trouba one more year for max effort playoff push.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

How are you dumping JJ and Maata? Are you including your 1sts?

JJ isn’t even in this haha

I suggested he be bought out or sent to the minors that’s it

And Maatta is not a cap dump

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Opinions are all good, that's why we all come here. Your offer is basically saying the Jets in their peek window to contend should significantly downgrade from Trouba to Schultz (both same term) and the Pens would compensate the Jets for this down grade with middle pack 1st Rd pick and a 2nd Rd prospect.

Top pairing RHD traded at the TDL (20 games or so only) like Trouba would easily get a mid to late 1st, 2nd Rd pick.....maybe more.

Is your offer brutal? No

Does your offer great/good? No

Could a Trouba trade end up similar? Maybe, time will tell. Personally I would keep kicking tires if I was Chevy looking for a better deal.......its debatable if I would do it or not or just keep Trouba one more year for max effort playoff push.

Honest question:

Do jets fans view Trouba as more, less, or equal in value than Hamilton when he was dealt from Boston to Calgary?

I tried to use that as a base cause I think they’re similar value considering age, skill, both wanting out, etc. Dougie got 1st, 2 2nds.
14th OA = 1st
Hallander = 2nd
Schultz > 2nd

 

[Riptide]

No thanks from Winnipeg. Trouba will get a better return than this easily.

He will get a different return, but depending on how one views Schultz, I doubt he'd get a better return. I'm not saying this makes sense for Winnipeg, but value wise that's probably about the best they'd get. Top 4 RD, quality prospect and a mid 1st.

 

[Snowman]

He will get a different return, but depending on how one views Schultz, I doubt he'd get a better return. I'm not saying this makes sense for Winnipeg, but value wise that's probably about the best they'd get. Top 4 RD, quality prospect and a mid 1st.

Except Schultz is a one year rental. Jets will get better than that easily or keep the vastly superior player in Trouba.

 

[elitepete]

The Arizona trade is very fair. The Winnipeg one is awful.

 

[SEALBound]

The Arizona trade is very fair. The Winnipeg one is awful.

Not really, OP was on track using Hamilton as a comparison. 1st + 2nds...thats less than a 1st, 2nd round player, and Schultz. Apples to apples, Schultz is worth a lot more than a 2nd.

Travis Hamonic was trade for a 1st and 2 2nds as well. Schultz has comparable value to both. I think thats too much going to Winnipeg, especially for a guy that may not want to sign there.

I do the first one. Not entirely sure I do the 2nd. Would have to play with it some.

 

[Riptide]

Pens shouldn't have interest in Goligoski. those days are over.

He's exactly who we should have interest in... a good PMD who has a reasonably well rounded game. Yes he's not 27 any more... but given our needs and the fact that Gogo should be good as a depth player over the next 3-4 seasons, yes I'd be very interested in him if he was available at a manageable price.

 

[FreeBobbyFarnham]

How are you dumping JJ and Maata? Are you including your 1sts?

Maatta doesn't have negative value. I get it, he's slow. But that doesn't mean he's a cap dump.

 

[elitepete]

Not really, OP was on track using Hamilton as a comparison. 1st + 2nds...thats less than a 1st, 2nd round player, and Schultz. Apples to apples, Schultz is worth a lot more than a 2nd.

Travis Hamonic was trade for a 1st and 2 2nds as well. Schultz has comparable value to both. I think thats too much going to Winnipeg, especially for a guy that may not want to sign there.

I do the first one. Not entirely sure I do the 2nd. Would have to play with it some.

Trouba is better than Hamilton and Hamonic.

And when Hamilton got traded, most people thought Boston got bent over.

 

[3074326]

How are you dumping JJ and Maata? Are you including your 1sts?

That won't be necessary. That would be almost as dumb as signing JJ in the first place. Congrats on having an idea almost as dumb as signing JJ. Pretty impressive to outmatch the old man, but you sure did it.

 

[KIRK]

You're not getting Trouba with that. NOR are you getting him at 7mil or else the Jets would've locked him up at that number.

Actually, why in the hell are the Coyotes making that other deal?