I'm on stub hub....

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    $8-$135.... Quite the spread. :laugh:
     
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    Virtually every team's resale market is the same. I've been able to go see games in Anaheim for 3 bucks a ticket through stub hub...I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is if I'm being honest...
     
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    Quick stub hub check would reveal it's less than half price the next closest market, Tampa.
     
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    I could fly to Phoenix, catch a game, and be on the next plane back and pay less than most tickets here in Philadelphia and other places along the northeast.
     
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    I realize you were trying to be funny, or something, but hotwire.com has flights from Philadelphia to Phoenix for $250 (Tuesday to Thursday to show cheapest). Stubhub has a bunch of tickets to Flyers/Sabres games in Philly for $75. So no, you can't.
     
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    Not to mention there are only about 15 total tickets left on stub hub for less then 50$ to the Coyotes first home game (3 under 45$). The vast majority of tickets are selling in the 50-75 dollar range. A notch below the 75-90$ range that most of the Flyers tickets are hovering in, for sure - but the hyperbole is, as you say, a little excessive.
     
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    It's not too far off though.

    I just picked up three Wings tickets for Saturday's games (with Stubhub % and print-at-home cost) for $70. Upper bowl near the back just to say we were there. Add in the hotel, +$60 (using points for 1/2) and the cost of gas from Chi-town to D-town to see my Wings: + $110. Add in parking (+$10) and a trip to see playoff hockey in Detroit is roughly $250 for three people.

    Or ~$84/person



    To get an actual seat on Stubhub for the Hawks game Sunday night for three people: $98.


    Yeah, it's actually cheaper to go on the road (for some teams). :amazed:
     
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    It's a little misleading to say "tickets" given that it's literally one ticket going for $8. But it does appear that there are a lot of upper bowl tickets in the 12-20$ range available for Wednesday's game.

    But we've talked about this issue before, aside from economic issues in the area Detroit has a serious case of playoff fatigue and this year you had a lot of really bad results at home in the last month of the season so it doesn't even look like the Wings are likely to make a run.

    After 20 years in the playoffs I imagine a weeknight first round game against Phoenix just isn't going to stir a lot of potential ticket buyers. Now I'd be game to go if I wasn't otherwise engaged a long way away from Detroit.
     
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    Well...I guess that means the Red Wings need to be relocated across the border to Windsor. Because real fans only pay $100+ for hockey tickets.
     
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    Duly noted for the next time we talk about Atlanta's support for the Braves. :laugh:
     
  12. Fugu

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    I think Chatham would be ideal, to be able to draw on both the Windsor and London markets.

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    Look at the bright side though. If the Wings HRR takes hit, their share of the revenue transfer part will decline, so they may actually break even, with regard to revenue transfer.
     
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    Keep in mind only about 10% of Detroits population actually lives in the city. Many people need to make that death-defying trip to the inner city arena from the far flung burbs. Give them some credit for selling out every game despite the dirt cheap tickets. Put an arena in Ann Arbor or something and watch the demand skyrocket.
     
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    At one point it was cheaper for me to fly back and forth to the Czech Republic and buy a season ticket for a team there than it was to get a season ticket for me here.
     
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    Duly noted for the next time we talk about Atlanta's support for the Thrashers :laugh:

    Watching the game last night there were a LOT of empty seats in the lower bowl. Obviously they were sold, as it was an announced sellout. It boggles the mind that hundreds (thousands?) of people sat on a playoff ticket rather than go to the game.
     
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    Yesterday I picked up a pair of Wings tickets for $50 total, from a ticket reseller on ebay barely 6 hours before gametime. They were upper bowl, 6th row, $75 face value each.

    The deals are out there.

    Most of the tickets on stubhub and the like are just owned by other ticket resellers anyway. It's not that people are sitting home with their tickets in their pocket. They just can't resell them for what they're asking. Not sure why they don't lower the prices just to move them, though.
     
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    The lower bowl thing is pretty easily explained, loads of those tickets are corporate and quite often go unused. It's actually fairly rare to see a Wings game with all the lower bowl seats filled.

    At the end of the day I guess it's money in the bank for the team though so it's not an issue for them.
     
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    Again though, that means hundreds/thousands of corporate ticket holders are either failing to distribute playoff tickets, or giving them to people who don't think it's worth their time to go see a playoff game for free.

    Either way, it's a fail by whoever has those tickets. You've got 3rd-row seats at center ice for a playoff game? Come on, at least scalp 'em!

    If it's happening on a regular basis like you say, they're losing quite a bit of revenue on all the ancillary income that goes along with filling a seat. Those people aren't paying for parking, buying concessions, picking up souveniers, etc. Half the income they should expect from selling the ticket disappears when the ticketholder doesn't show.
     
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    Yeah but then you might not get a thousand private individuals willing to pay the 100-150 bucks for those tickets night-in night-out. Selling them to corporations or making them part of sponsorship deals gets you a reliable income for those seats and serves your relationship with the local corporate base.
     
  20. Fugu

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    I know several companies with tickets. They don't try very hard. They'll call a couple of their customers, and if people can't make it due to travel, family, etc., they just don't worry about them. By the time they check with contacts, it's probably game day. Since it is a corporate crowd, people travel frequently too-- we are talking the sales and management side of companies, the people most likely to be tied up or traveling.

    Why worry? They expense the tickets to company entertainment budget, it's a sunk cost.



    Like I said above, seeing that the Wings are in top ten for HRR, the ancillary stuff you mention is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. They mostly sell out the bldg at $55-ish avg regular season price; they have $30MM in TV money; their suites are sold; they have sponsors and so on.

    In fact, I've suggested before that they might be better off sliding into position 11 on the HRR chart. Once you're in the top ten, you get taxed by the league for revenue transfer. There's probably a sweet spot where the incremental revenue they make ends up in the NHL's revenue transfer pocket. They're working for the recipient teams.

    (And yes, I realize that if everyone in the top ten let revenues slide, the cap would be lower and yada yada..... There is a built in problem with the cap range system.)
     
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    Wow that really is weak and not trying very hard. These companies don't have employees they can just give these tickets too? It's not even hard...send out a quick email saying you have 2 or 4 tix to tonights game and first come first served.
     
  22. Fugu

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    Usually the tickets are made available to the sales directors/manager types, but they often don't know until the day of the game if a claim has come in. Let's say someone asks 2-3 days ahead of time. The tickets can still be pulled from the employee if a client accepts the tickets right up to the day of the game.

    On the day of the game, some companies may make the pool bigger, however.... if they end up giving away the tickets to employees more than to clients, technically some accountant can come along and ask why the customer relations guys needs these tickets AND that they're not qualified for the Entertainment expense. Double-edged sword.
     
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    Not true at all.

    For Home Game 2 at Rogers Arena, tickets on Stubhub are starting at $235, and up. Last night I paid $160 per ticket to sit in the upper balcony corner. I would love to be able to pay less than $100, let alone less than $10, but in some markets that just isn't realistic.
     
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    Might have something to do with the fact that all of Vancouver thinks the Cup has the Canucks' name on it this year and the team just had its best regular season ever?

    That hardly can be seen as exemplary for the league or even good hockey markets.
     
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    NHL and NBA Avg Playoff Ticket Prices - TqIQ Blog

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    It's interesting that cities with both NBA and NHL teams have some interesting disparities. NYR and LA are clearly NBA towns. Unreal. Boston and Philly, both with strong NBA histories, show higher prices for the NHL than the NBA. Chicago is roughly even between the Hawks and Bulls.

    My fellow Americans need to accept that Canadians will pay through the nose for playoff tickets and that there is a different supply/demand curve to the north. Admitting it isn't that painful really, it makes business sense.
     

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