Frosty415
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he would dominate the 80's and 90's more than he does now
He doesn't dominate now.
Domination implies way above his peers, McDavid outplayed him last year.
inb4 conn smythe
he would dominate the 80's and 90's more than he does now
Why don't you present some ****ing numbers then.
Let's start from the beginning.
Regardless of what era Crosby played in, he would still be rated the same as he is now. Most in the HOH forum have him in the #15 range and acknowledge that he arguably has the #5 best resume by age 30/after 12 seasons. He would be the clear cut 3rd best player of his era with Messier being the closest competitor.
Do you agree or disagree with this?
I am guessing if a healthy Crosby played in the 1980s without Gretzky or Lemieux, he probably would be a consistent top 5 scorer with a few Art Rosses and Harts
He has a few Rosses and Hart right now with no Gretzky and Lemieux ( 2 each to be exact)
If he has hard time winning hart and Ross now. He will have a harder time in the 80s and early 90s
He doesn't dominate now.
Domination implies way above his peers, McDavid outplayed him last year.
inb4 conn smythe
Don't agree with the first question. If Crosby played in the 80s he will only probably have maybe 1/3 of his trophies all star team he has right now and maybe less. Also playing behind 99 and 66 he won't get all the attention. He would be rated completely different. Do you really think people will remember a guy that finishes behind 99 and 66?
2nd question sure I agree he does have 5th best resume.
Yes he is clear cut 3rd best player but he is not on a different tier from Messier Yzermen Trottier. He is closer to those 3 players than Gretzky and Lemieux
He has a few Rosses and Hart right now with no Gretzky and Lemieux ( 2 each to be exact)
If he has hard time winning hart and Ross now. He will have a harder time in the 80s and early 90s
Who would finish above a healthy dominant Crosby in a league WITHOUT Mario or Wayne? What player besides those two in the 80's would realistically challenge Crosby besides Yzerman once or twice?
Who would finish above a healthy dominant Crosby in a league WITHOUT Mario or Wayne? What player besides those two in the 80's would realistically challenge Crosby besides Yzerman once or twice?
It's hard to compare today's players to others/style of play in different decades.
Crosby would not survive the tough style of play... especially early in his career. He may get cross checked and slashed, but he rarely gets a big hit or a dirty hit (here come all the pens fan about BUF, WSH, and the most recent WSH hit).
Goalies weren't as quick and as talented 20 years ago. Crosby would be quicker and probably have a higher hockey IQ than most.
I'd still take Gretzky over Crosby, but idk about Lemeiux.
For me: 1) Gretzky 2) Crosby 3) Lemieux 4) Messier
In the 1987-88 season, Grant Fuhr won the Vezina with a 3.43 GAA and an .881 save percentage.
Of top 20 goalies all time in save percentage, 16 of them are still active and playing today. Sixteen!
If Crosby had a time machine to the 1980's, he just might have put up 300 points in a season.
I get that people have nostalgia and love Gretzky. He was great.
The reality is that players have gotten better, not worse.
For example, take sprinting. There are only 1 or 2 guys from the 1980's who could compete today. None of them are fast enough to catch a peak Usain Bolt.
If Crosby is the best player today, he would be the best player in the 1980's too. The margin would only get wider. It would be like watching Bolt blow past a 1980's sprinters all stars.
If anything, Gretzky and Lemieux are few of the players who are blessed enough that they transcended eras and could still compete today.
In the 1987-88 season, Grant Fuhr won the Vezina with a 3.43 GAA and an .881 save percentage.
Of top 20 goalies all time in save percentage, 16 of them are still active and playing today. Sixteen!
If Crosby had a time machine to the 1980's, he just might have put up 300 points in a season.
I get that people have nostalgia and love Gretzky. He was great.
The reality is that players have gotten better, not worse.
For example, take sprinting. There are only 1 or 2 guys from the 1980's who could compete today. None of them are fast enough to catch a peak Usain Bolt.
If Crosby is the best player today, he would be the best player in the 1980's too. The margin would only get wider. It would be like watching Bolt blow past a 1980's sprinters all stars.
If anything, Gretzky and Lemieux are few of the players who are blessed enough that they transcended eras and could still compete today.
You know saying "inb4" doesn't make the truth irrelevant right?
There is 0 arguement building for crosby being better than lemieux.Jagr isn't set in the top 10 all time. And that's the point, everyone knows Lemieux was way better than Jagr so no one even tries to argue it. With Crosby there's a slight argument that's building because he plays at a different time. If he played at the same time as Lemieux he'd be an after thought.
In the 1987-88 season, Grant Fuhr won the Vezina with a 3.43 GAA and an .881 save percentage.
Of top 20 goalies all time in save percentage, 16 of them are still active and playing today. Sixteen!
If Crosby had a time machine to the 1980's, he just might have put up 300 points in a season.
I get that people have nostalgia and love Gretzky. He was great.
The reality is that players have gotten better, not worse.
For example, take sprinting. There are only 1 or 2 guys from the 1980's who could compete today. None of them are fast enough to catch a peak Usain Bolt.
If Crosby is the best player today, he would be the best player in the 1980's too. The margin would only get wider. It would be like watching Bolt blow past a 1980's sprinters all stars.
If anything, Gretzky and Lemieux are few of the players who are blessed enough that they transcended eras and could still compete today.
There is 0 arguement building for crosby being better than lemieux.
In the 1987-88 season, Grant Fuhr won the Vezina with a 3.43 GAA and an .881 save percentage.
Of top 20 goalies all time in save percentage, 16 of them are still active and playing today. Sixteen!
If Crosby had a time machine to the 1980's, he just might have put up 300 points in a season.
I get that people have nostalgia and love Gretzky. He was great.
The reality is that players have gotten better, not worse.
For example, take sprinting. There are only 1 or 2 guys from the 1980's who could compete today. None of them are fast enough to catch a peak Usain Bolt.
If Crosby is the best player today, he would be the best player in the 1980's too. The margin would only get wider. It would be like watching Bolt blow past a 1980's sprinters all stars.
If anything, Gretzky and Lemieux are few of the players who are blessed enough that they transcended eras and could still compete today.