Idea to stop teams from tanking

[LeafsNation75]

Get out with that, Buffalo and Arizona tanked, Leafs didn't tank.

The year Toronto finished last overall with 69 points which was high for any last place overall team, it was higher than 1 year earlier when they finished 27th overall with 68 points.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

It is when Murray actually lied that all the moves he made was so they would not tank, even though they obviously were tanking moves.

So nothing wrong with the actual action of tanking? Is that what you're saying

 

[LeafsNation75]

Which has nothing to do with what I just said. The Sabres were a pretext to get a system that literally gave half the league a shot at 1OA. 13 extra teams now have skin in the game, which was the real reason almost everyone wanted the lottery.

Even before when the NHL changed the rules to allow all non playoff teams with a chance at the 1st overall pick instead of the bottom 5 teams prior to 2013, that didn't matter to Murray. His main objective was to tank for McDavid knowing worst case he would get Eichel for finishing last place overall, because of the changes coming in 2016.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Oh look. This thread again.

only if we had some sort of set up to nuke these threads

 

[LeafsNation75]

So nothing wrong with the actual action of tanking? Is that what you're saying

Basically yes because everyone knew before the 2014-2015 season what Murray was going to do. When he lied and said they were not trying to tank is what I didn't like.

 

[Silky mitts]

Weighted lottery to pick 4 teams for a tourney. I would watch it.

 

[mouser]

Why not just do the Roman army thing and have the last place team draw lots to stone two of their players? That ought to encourage everyone to play better.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

$50M dollar fine...

 

[sabremike]

Arguably the most popular NHL team in America literally owes it's existence to tanking and getting Mario. The preachy stuff about tanking is pretty tiring at this point. And you can try to put together a bad roster but these guys are still paid professionals who are going to play hard. The tank Sabres were playing so hard under Nolan the last few months of the season they came close to getting out of the league basement.

 

[GOilers88]

You can think that Toronto tanked on purpose but when they finished last it was with 69 points and did not clinch last place overall until their 82nd regular season game. When Buffalo tanked for McDavid had 54 points in 2015 and when Colorado finished last in 2017 they had a record low 48 points.

They still iced a team that wasn't going to get anything done with the intention of getting a shot at Matthews. Their point total is irrelevant. Colorado didn't intentionally trying and lose, they were just that f***in horrible in every facet of the game. The point total is irrelevant.

Buffalo is truly the only team in recent memory that blatantly tried to lose games to get a first overall and karma shat on their faces.

Tanking isn't an issue in the NHL, people here just like to label the bottom three teams in the league every year as tankers.

 

[GodEmperor]

Only increase odds slightly for the bottom 5 teams.

I would do it like this:
30-14
29-12
28-10
27-9
26-8
25-7
24-20-5.12
19-17-4.77

After the top 5 picks, the rest of the teams have the exact same odds.

 

[TeamRenzo]

Teams try to tank but players dont.

 

[LeafsNation75]

They still iced a team that wasn't going to get anything done with the intention of getting a shot at Matthews. Their point total is irrelevant. Colorado didn't intentionally trying and lose, they were just that ****in horrible in every facet of the game. The point total is irrelevant.

Buffalo is truly the only team in recent memory that blatantly tried to lose games to get a first overall and karma shat on their faces.

Tanking isn't an issue in the NHL, people here just like to label the bottom three teams in the league every year as tankers.

When Toronto realized during the 2015-2016 season they would not be making the playoffs they traded UFA's like James Reimer, Nick Spalling, Daniel Winnik, Roman Polak and Shawn Matthias. However they kept other UFA's like P.A. Parenteau, Brad Boyes, and Michael Grabner which I thought was shock that they were not traded, because after all they were tanking and that means trading all their soon to be UFA's. Buffalo traded anyone who was set to become a UFA and traded both their goalies who started the season. In fact one of their goalies was traded after he won like 2 or 3 games in a row, so talk about a coincidence in timing.

 

[HanSolo]

only if we had some sort of set up to nuke these threads

Not my call.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Better idea. No RFA period. Entry level contract is two years. If the team still sucks, players leave...players keep leaving management gets fired fast. 10 years of this, teams fold.

Teams wouldn't tank for long, after a while they would just lose because no one good wants to stay. Doesnt solve teams being bad/tanking, but it would be fun to watch.

You won't solve tanking unless you impose some serious sanctions, which the NHL won't. Its part of the game...business is cyclical.

If that rule was in place no contender could ever retain their young talent under the cap

 

[Field of Dreams]

Easy solution is that all teams that miss playoffs have equal odds at winning a lottory spot, and after the lottery teams are ranked starting with the worst teams at the top of the draft (4th)

 

[LeafsNation75]

Easy solution is that all teams that miss playoffs have equal odds at winning a lottory spot, and after the lottery teams are ranked starting with the worst teams at the top of the draft (4th)

The problem is what if a team who makes the playoffs also has another teams 1st round pick who has missed the playoffs. For example that situation could happen in 2019 with Colorado having Ottawa's 1st round pick. So what if they make the playoffs and end up with the 1st overall pick, is that going to be fair?

 

[Field of Dreams]

The problem is what if a team who makes the playoffs also has another teams 1st round pick who has missed the playoffs. For example that situation could happen in 2019 with Colorado having Ottawa's 1st round pick. So what if they make the playoffs and end up with the 1st overall pick, is that going to be fair?

Well for the team trading their 1st pick in a year they do not make the playoffs - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Nothing would be unfair about Colorado getting the 1st overall. They took the risk (however small it is) of the pick being 31st overall, and they deserve to awarded when that risk pays off.

Should the league block the Tavares signing because Montreal needed him more? Should the league take debrincat from Chicago and place him in Edmonton because of their respective records over the last decade?

 

[BatVader]

Take one of those lottery ball tumbler things.
Put the 1 ball in for every team that doesn’t make the playoffs. Have the logo of the teams on the balls. 1 ball has 1 teams logo.
Spin the stupid tumbler thing.
Open the little hatchy thing and let the balls out into the rail.
The picks are in order of the balls coming out.
1st ball out = 1st pick
2nd ball out = 2nd pick
Etc...
This is not freaking rocket science.
You can tank if you want, but there is not changing of odds based on final standings position.
Each team gets 1 ball and it’s luck of the draw.

 

[cj19]

I think fans would like to watch this hockey tourney at the end of the year. Imagine this year Jack Hughes going to the winning team. The tv rating would be high for these 5 teams. The TV. revenue could divided by NHL owners and to pay players playing in the tourney.

 

[Stephen]

In a 31 team league, someone will finish 31st.

Let the season of misery be punishment enough, heaven forbid the league has a talent distribution system to actually provide some hope.

 

[Stephen]

Take one of those lottery ball tumbler things.
Put the 1 ball in for every team that doesn’t make the playoffs. Have the logo of the teams on the balls. 1 ball has 1 teams logo.
Spin the stupid tumbler thing.
Open the little hatchy thing and let the balls out into the rail.
The picks are in order of the balls coming out.
1st ball out = 1st pick
2nd ball out = 2nd pick
Etc...
This is not freaking rocket science.
You can tank if you want, but there is not changing of odds based on final standings position.
Each team gets 1 ball and it’s luck of the draw.

It's not rocket science but it's stupid. The Winnipeg Jets won the lottery in 2016 and took Laine but I'd argue in actual trouble could have used the pick more.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

TANKING IS NOT AN ISSUE!

Let me say it again for the nerds in the back

TANKING IS NOT A f***ING ISSUE

 

[Bear of Bad News]

We don't need this one more time. And the cliffhanger thing.