GDT: ice hockey match this evening agaisnt another ice hockey team at 7ish

[GoldiFox]

estallo: "we should win tonite's hockey contest"

*checks hfbords, sees that halejokel made GDT*

estallo: "nm"

What is for sure is that there is absolutely zero evidence that this did not happen.

 

[gocanes88]

 

[TheOllieC]

he looks like a toe

 

[DaveG]

You know, the only thing I'm mad about is that we even got a point here.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Wonder if being a canes fan is reason enough to get a prescription for MJ.

 

[DougieSmash]

What the hell happen with our PK?

 

[What the Faulk]

Who exactly does decide? I know it's non-team affiliated media, but what news media is usually in the arena on any given night? Chip, of course, WRAL? Maniscalco would have a say. Local TV, local media for visiting teams? How often is the national hockey press in the building? Anyone know who's in the press box on any given night?

IIRC its solely 99.9 that decides, which would be Maniscalco and Gold for like 90% of the season. Chip goes to every game, Luke goes about once a month when he's got nothing better to do. There's a handful of online blog presence (2-3?) and another 10 or so guys from the AP and NHL.com etc. Plus whoever the opposing team brings. Most of those guys don't hit the locker room though. On the flip side, there's a lot of local TV that does, but I think they just stay in the downstairs media room all game, if not show up late.

When Gleason got traded to the Leafs and told the media "usually there's only three of you," he wasn't really kidding.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

What the hell happen with our PK?

Did anyone think that the PK would keep humming along when you remove Sekera and Gleason....and replace them with the likes of Liles, Murphy, Rissanen, Jordan, Bellemore?

It's really not surprising to me.

 

[Joe McGrath]

For all his warts, Gleason was a damn good PK guy this year. Don't be surprised if the Caps go deep if some damn fool team gives him $2-3 mil for multiple years based solely on that. And don't be too surprised if that damn fool team turns out to be the Canes.

 

[Unsustainable]

Seems legit to me.

 

[RodTheBawd]

they stole linholm's assist

how dare u

Was no one else really impressed by that little one touch drop pass he had on that goal? This guy makes some pretty ridiculous soft passes that go unnoticed. Unless of course that was an accident and the defender just tied him up perfectly.

 

[What the Faulk]

These four defensemen are the only four who got more than 50 minutes on the PK

I think Sekera was the bigger loss.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

These four defensemen are the only four who got more than 50 minutes on the PK

I think Sekera was the bigger loss.

Yeah, I think that's generally accepted by most. Just curious, of all the PP goals against (5 v 4) scored against the Canes, is there a way to tell how many were scored against each of those 4 defensemen (before Sekera and Gleason were traded).

 

[nobuddy]

Hainsey and Bellemore are and were the two most effective penalty killing defensemen on this team.

The reason our penalty kill is doing worse is because Ward was riding an unsustainably high shorthanded save percentage. We have an elite penalty kill, we're top five in corsi against and SOG against per 60 rates, but we weren't going to keep being the best by so much because Ward was performing over his head.

 

[What the Faulk]

5 against for Gleason, 9 against for everyone else. Even when accounting for ice-time, the ratio is roughly the same (Sekera actually looks a bit worse there). That's all shorthanded time though. War on Ice doesn't break it out by 5v3/5v4 and BTN has trouble loading on this computer.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

5 against for Gleason, 9 against for everyone else. Even when accounting for ice-time, the ratio is roughly the same (Sekera actually looks a bit worse there). That's all shorthanded time though. War on Ice doesn't break it out by 5v3/5v4 and BTN has trouble loading on this computer.

Thanks WTF, but what was it for each guy? (or point me to where I can find that).

Gleason: 5
Hainsey: ?
Sekeraa: ?
Faulk: ?

 

[Ole Gil]

Faulk: 4.1
Hainsey: 4.0
Gleason: 2.2
Sekera: 4.25

Those are the 4 on 5 GA/60 stats.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hainsey and Bellemore really didn't spend that much total PK time together on the ice...and Bellemore had significantly less PK time (total and per game) than the other 4. Most frequent pairings by far were Sekera-Faulk and Hainsey-Gleason. Not saying Bellemore was bad (or good), just that he wasn't used nearly as much so it's harder to make an apples to apples comparison.

I agree on the goalie(s) save% have a big impact on PK, but that isn't totally unrelated to the quality of chances the skaters in front of them are giving up. Any goalies SV% is likely to go down when you now have Rissanen, Liles and Murphy on the PK. The other impact of losing defensemen is it throws the pairings off. Guys develop synergy with their partner and allows them to react more quickly, knowing what their partner is likely to do. That goes away now. Hard to quantify that, but it is very real.

Anyhow, trading away 2 of your top 4 (TOI) PK defensemen is going to have an impact on the PK. It's not really much more complicated than that.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Faulk: 4.1
Hainsey: 4.0
Gleason: 2.2
Sekera: 4.25

Those are the 4 on 5 GA/60 stats.

Interesting....thanks Wally.

 

[What the Faulk]

Thanks WTF, but what was it for each guy? (or point me to where I can find that).

Gleason: 5
Hainsey: ?
Sekeraa: ?
Faulk: ?

9 against each I meant. As Wally said, the goals/60 are a pretty similar ratio.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think it was on the second PPG against, Murphy came on the ice and I was in the middle of lirl'ing about it when Hartnell scored on him.

That's Ryan sMurphy, MAB clone and AHL All Star, playing on our PK trying to defend Scott Hartnell in front of the net.

We may as well get used to nights like that on the PK.

 

[GoldiFox]

I think it was on the second PPG against, Murphy came on the ice and I was in the middle of lirl'ing about it when Hartnell scored on him.

That's Ryan sMurphy, MAB clone and AHL All Star, playing on our PK trying to defend Scott Hartnell in front of the net.

We may as well get used to nights like that on the PK.

From my perspective it wasn't just Murphy, Canes were giving up the front of the net to Columbus all night. Hainsey and Bellemore were both noticeably ineffective at clearing the crease.

Meanwhile Conaughton (sp?) and Johnson were doing a great job at the other end keeping the Canes away from Bob.

 

[tarheelhockey]

From my perspective it wasn't just Murphy, Canes were giving up the front of the net to Columbus all night. Hainsey and Bellemore were both noticeably ineffective at clearing the crease.

Meanwhile Conaughton (sp?) and Johnson were doing a great job at the other end keeping the Canes away from Bob.

There's also the puck possession aspect as well. Bellemore is one of the worst defensemen we've had when it comes to handling the puck under pressure. Most of the time he just flubs it to the boards where it becomes a forechecking opportunity for the other team. That's a killer on the PK where it extends the shift and leads to scrambly situations.

Hainsey's not a lot better in that respect, and even Faulk is prone to some really knuckleheaded decisions now and then. Murphy and Hillen are better with the puck but horrible defensively. And the other two guys are AHL callups who have no business on a PK.

I'm encouraged by our results while we still had Sekera and Gleason, but that's over with... it's gonna be ugly now.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

From my perspective it wasn't just Murphy, Canes were giving up the front of the net to Columbus all night. Hainsey and Bellemore were both noticeably ineffective at clearing the crease.
.

Watch the goal again when Murphy was out there. Murphy basically was kind of in no mans land and didn't accomplish anything. He didn't pressure the guy with the puck, he didn't prevent any pass/shot, and he didn't cover the guy coming up the slot.

I can't really blame him though, as he hasn't had any time on the PK to date to get ready for this and get integrated into the system, but it illustrates my earlier point. Losing Sekera and Gleason is having a big impact on the PK.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

It's been two years since I last posted.

Good to see the Canes are still playing lousy