Borderbluesfan
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Good song and good band. First saw them live at Arrowhead Stadium in 1982, IIRC. SummerJam with Triumph, Heart, 38 Special, Loverboy, Foreigner, and some band Leroux that had a top 40 hit at the time. Awesome concert.
I have to vent a bit and ask a question?
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Good song and good band. First saw them live at Arrowhead Stadium in 1982, IIRC. SummerJam with Triumph, Heart, 38 Special, Loverboy, Foreigner, and some band Leroux that had a top 40 hit at the time. Awesome concert.
You can't think of any players on the trade block that would not make the Blues better right now over Berglund, Paajarvi, Sobotka, Schmaltz, Binnington or Rattie?
And what do you like about Rik's hair?
damn that sounds awesome. I've seen 38 special and Foreigner, but I'm pretty sure Triumph retired before I was musically aware (I'm 25). I'm a huge Emmett fan.
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I mean, Berglund is the only one who's actually in the lineup to compete with, and of the guys on the block I don't know who I would trade these pieces for. Nobody wants Paajarvi and it'd take somebody substantial for Schmaltz, Binnington or Rattie
uhh everything it's glorious
Those are the Blues expendables, trade to your little hearts delight.
You better say his hair looks cool.
bluesfan94
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You mean without three of our starting centers, with Schwartz and Tarasenko not as developed, with Shattenkirk not nearly as developed, with a hobbled Pietrangelo, and with our captain out after getting blindsided we managed to lose to the Los Angeles Kings and Chicago Blackhawks? The humanity.
The fact of the matter is that getting through the Western Conference is a slog, especially now that they have the divisional playoffs. God, this is like the Penguins saying, well we haven't done well in the playoffs recently, let's blow up the core.
So if the Blues go 4 straight years not winning a game past the first round, you really wouldn't make any significant changes to the club? Really? Okay then. Your patience must be off the charts for this franchise.
I think the Penguins did realize they needed to change something after not doing anything for a few years, considering they fired their GM and coach, and traded James Neal. And if they continue to not do anything I think we may continue to see more turnover there in Pittsburgh.
However, they also have maybe the two best players in the NHL, so you really can't compare their situation all that well to ours. Trading Crosby and Malkin isn't very logical. The Blues wouldn't be moving anyone near that caliber.
GoldenSeal
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What we really need to trade for is for a way to stop Hitch from making dumb lines that incorporate players like Berglund on the top lines. Whenever he juggles the lines in odd ways in general, we go on a losing streak.
There is nothing wrong at all with the majority of players that we have; the issue is how they are being utilized by Hitch. He needs to promote more from the farm club to help build a stronger fourth line and stop putting faith into players like, once again Berglund, who isn't a bad player but simply doesn't fit into the system that Hitch is running on the ice.
Having Shattenkirk and Porter on the IR is not helping matters either. For the most part, the players we need are the two guys I just mentioned.
If we trade for anything, it should be for depth to add to the lower ends of the Defense. Offense is fine as long as you don't juggle lines and mess with the chemistry. Any deal in my eyes that should or needs to be made should be seen more as a cap dump to sign players like Tarasenko than anything else at this point. Ott + Berglund + Paaj should be on the block to move by the deadline for depth. Anything more needs to return top six talent that can be used now.
There is nothing wrong at all with the majority of players that we have; the issue is how they are being utilized by Hitch. He needs to promote more from the farm club to help build a stronger fourth line and stop putting faith into players like, once again Berglund, who isn't a bad player but simply doesn't fit into the system that Hitch is running on the ice.
Having Shattenkirk and Porter on the IR is not helping matters either. For the most part, the players we need are the two guys I just mentioned.
If we trade for anything, it should be for depth to add to the lower ends of the Defense. Offense is fine as long as you don't juggle lines and mess with the chemistry. Any deal in my eyes that should or needs to be made should be seen more as a cap dump to sign players like Tarasenko than anything else at this point. Ott + Berglund + Paaj should be on the block to move by the deadline for depth. Anything more needs to return top six talent that can be used now.
Twisted Blue
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I think Berglund fits Hitch's system as a defensive minded forward. Most fans just want to see more offensive production from him.
ChicagoBlues
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Wow! What an awesome lineup. I love all of those bands, especially Foreigner as they are one of my go-to karaoke selections. Lou Grammatico is still bad ass, even after his stroke.
ChicagoBlues
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I agree with this. Berglund's offense now is just about gone, but he has become a defensive specialist. Nothing wrong with that as long as there are no delusions of grandeur from us fans or the coaching staff that Berglund will eventually bust out on offense.
I want to keep Berglund for the remainder of the season. We're going to need him.
Multimoodia
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I know Hitch wants to keep things as a surprise until the rest of the NHL cannot adjust, but perhaps it is time for the Blues to "Unleash the Beach?"
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I think Beach would be able to keep up in the NHL. He has a lot of energy. Kind of a bean pole, but fearless and with protected minutes he could be just the type of terrorist the Blues need if they meet Chicago in the 1st round.
The key is to play Beach only during home games, so Hitch can have last change and put him on the ice against some skilled players. If Beach can instigate into a fight or penalty the opposition's better players, then it is a win for the Blues. Keeping the opposition's better players off the ice is a beautiful thing and that is how Beach can be used, instead of fighting the other goon.
Multimoodia
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Beach is such a vortex of awesomeness that he may not come off the ice.
Hat trick per game most likely.
Hat trick per game most likely.
ChicagoBlues
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Because he is?
He is like a better Jay McClement at this point, which is not a bad thing. Not long ago when Jay was on the team he was my favorite Blues player, so........
Multimoodia
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Because he does a few things that equate very well defensively. Honestly if he could a faceoff with regularity he'd be a very ideal 3rd line center for quite a few teams' defensively responsible lines.
Plus if I remember correctly his possession numbers are very good and indicates that he does positively drive the play when he's out there.
He just can't do anything with it once he enters the zone.
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He has a hard shot, but rarely uses it at the right time. For whatever reason, he forgot how to score.
(Aside from the lack of PP time)
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Deserved lack of PP time.......
His release takes 3 years, thats why everytime he shoots it gets tipped or blocked...... he doesn't like engaging in battles either......he's soft for a 6'3 200+ pound winger.
I PREFER STEVE BERNIER
Multimoodia
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Oh it's frustrating as hell.
Two most frustrating players on the Blues in that regard are Bergie and Cole. Both have a very serious shot and both suck at using it at the correct time.
If Berg would drive to the net like Jaskin does or if Cole would work to use his shot from the point you'd see both of them with 10 more points right now.
Multimoodia
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Didn't used to, but yeah his big slap shot takes way too long to get going. He was most effective on cross-ice plays but that seems to have died off
This narrative needs to die off.
He doesn't check people, but he definitely battles along the boards. That's actually why he's been a better winger, because he can force board-work instead of worrying about the center breakout position.
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He could easily be the first player in league history to get the Gordie Howe hat trick on the same play. Assist on his own goal and punch an opponent in the face in lieu of the traditional "fly by." The Man is just holding him down.
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Twisted Blue
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He has very respectable Corsi/Fenwick ratings. I think a lot of fans throw the same negative stereotypes on Berglund that Chris Stewart use to get on this board (well deserved). He "just disappears" in the offensive zone, he is "soft" for a big man, he has a lot of talent but doesn't use it ... etc.
High n Wide
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I've always been confused by this too. Nothing about Berglund indicates that he doesn't put the effort in. The guy works, but the expectations placed on him were simply unrealistic. I would argue more that the talent people argue for (offensively driven stats) just isn't there before I would argue that he has the talent and is choosing not to use it. Berglund plays a good role on the team, but it isn't an offensive one by any means.
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Berglund could keep playing the exact same game, and simply add the power move into the center that we've seen him do (which is what is aggravating about it) and put a hard shot accurately on net 2-3 times a game, and I think we'd all be really happy with him. Some of those would go in, and some of them would lead to offense off the rebounds. He'd score 20-30 goals.
But the board battles, puck possession, defense and willingness to battle for the puck in the dirty places....its all there. We can't expect his vision and passing to suddenly improve. But he COULD use his power move and shot. Those are skills that he has. But that's not his instinct. He's very deferential, to a fault.
However, at this point I've given up on Berglund suddenly turning into the Hulk and being better than he is. I'm content with keeping him as a 3rd line winger, but I could also conceive of a trade upgrade. He doesn't deserve to be a whipping boy, but its a spot that could be upgraded by Monday night.
But the board battles, puck possession, defense and willingness to battle for the puck in the dirty places....its all there. We can't expect his vision and passing to suddenly improve. But he COULD use his power move and shot. Those are skills that he has. But that's not his instinct. He's very deferential, to a fault.
However, at this point I've given up on Berglund suddenly turning into the Hulk and being better than he is. I'm content with keeping him as a 3rd line winger, but I could also conceive of a trade upgrade. He doesn't deserve to be a whipping boy, but its a spot that could be upgraded by Monday night.
