Friedman: "I always wonder about Detroit whenever a top defender is available"

[Tom Hanks]

Why would Detroit trade for a top defenseman? I thought most of their fans were upset by all the winning going on and in favor of tearing it all down?

The fans aren’t running the joint though. Detroit does make some strange decisions.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Have zero hope in getting Dahlin honestly. Knowing our teams luck lately we'll be okay to get in the wild card position and not bad enough to have a shot at Dahlin.

Obviously the lottery is one thing that is complete luck, but I think this is a legit bottom 5 team. They had a hot start the first month of the season and registered as a playoff team for a brief moment due to a combination of extra games played, a horrible division, and overachieving. I think when it really comes down to it they're a true bottom five team. Arguably bottom 3.

Since Nov. 9, records and PPG of the bottom 10 teams in the league:

Florida: 11-8-3 (1.14)
Edmonton: 12-10-1 (1.09)
Philadelphia: 8-7-6 (1.05)
Montreal: 9-9-3 (1.00)
Colorado: 9-10-3 (.96)
Detroit: 5-7-6 (.89)
Vancouver: 7-12-3 (.77)
Phoenix: 7-12-3 (.77)
Buffalo: 4-12-6 (.64)
Ottawa: 5-13-3 (.62)

I still get the feeling that Ottawa is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. I think eventually they rebound and leave Detroit/Buffalo/Phoenix to fight for better odds. Obviously Detroit has a decent lead on the other two teams but with over half a season to go, that can change. (Or it could change the other way, to be fair)

... And if Detroit starts selling like they should, they'll only get worse.

 

[terrible dee]

They're not in a precarious position at all. You tear it down now and rebuild over the next 3-5 years, or you keep pretending you're competitive and spend 7-10 years in the hockey hell where you're not good enough to make the playoffs but not bad enough to draft top tier talent.

Hey look at the Canucks,

Our GM is an Idiot, our luck in the lottery abysmal, our owner delusional

But somehow, this year, Horvat and Boesser made this a team that was going to be in the playoffs,

THANK GOD HORVAT GOT HURT, the fact that we sank to the bottom as soon as he was out is proof enough we need more blue chip draft talent, and because he did I think we will get it,

But, think about it, we didn't even draft well, but somehow, someway, rebuilding happened in spite of dummy's at the wheel

As long as Detroit doesn't trade it's first rounders SOMETHING will start to happen, I'd even say that Larkin is the first piece of that puzzle

 

[terrible dee]

The fans aren’t running the joint though. Detroit does make some strange decisions.

I'm telling you, they are just standing pat till Yzerman can take over, they've had it planned this way for years

Tampa has been their GM farm team

Can't Yzerman make the jump this summer?

 

[terrible dee]

Wouldn't even do that. Both would be of little help by the time Detroit is competitive again.

I could see Detroit selling their future to get either guy

I can hear Holland now "All we need is a new Lidstrom..."

 

[terrible dee]

There's not much to tear down at this point. The only guys with trade value are a guy we literally don't have the cap space to re-sign in Green, and two mediocre wingers, which is the only position we're somewhat healthy in.

Ahh depth at wing.......the WORST thing an NHL team can boast as it's best feature....well maybe a superstar goaltender is worse.

That stupid "build from the net out" philosophy is finally dead and buried, soon the "It's all about the Defense...MOVE THAT PUCK" mode of team building will as well,

The ONLY way to build a cup team:

CENTER ICE

Stack your team at center, then do it again, then go back for thirds

NO ONE has more of an effect on his team's fortune than a center,

 

[Lunatik]

is it too difficult for the OP to actually use the quote from 31 thoughts and provide a link?

 

[Pavels Dog]

Wings are past the point of trading for a high-end d-man. They've been drafting 10+ d-men in the last few drafts, they're looking at top ~3 lottery odds in '18 which is a draft with good d-men in the top 10, and they don't have the surplus assets (yet) to make any big splash trades. They're not as bad off as people in this thread say but throwing assets at a Letang is exactly the type of move that could put major, major speed bumps in place for the rebuild. They just need to stay patient for a few years and rebuild through the draft.

 

[Its a Trap]

I'm telling you, they are just standing pat till Yzerman can take over, they've had it planned this way for years

Tampa has been their GM farm team

Can't Yzerman make the jump this summer?

Why would he leave the team he’s literally built from scratch and turned into a serious cup contender to go to Detroit and have to try and fix a terrible roster that has NINE players with some form of a No-Trade or No-move clause in effect?

 

[seabass45]

Nothing for Detroit to do but hope for high draft picks for the next few years.

 

[Drew311]

Would love to see them give up Mantha/Larkin and a top 5 pick to get one.

 

[Ciao]

would a top defender make Detroit an instant winner considering what they'd have to give up to get one? nobody's going to take castoffs and the Wings 1st rounder and give up a top d-man. not going to happen. the Wings should continue to rebuild and see if they can sign a UFA like John Carlson for free should he make it to free agency.

Bingo.

 

[The Red Line]

Sure hope he's not talking about Letang, as that would make no sense whatsoever for Detroit.

The last thing they need is another defenseman who is old, declining, injury prone, and with a high cap hit. Although now that I type it out, that sounds exactly like the type of player Holland goes after.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Honestly, under a certain age, Detroit should be in the market for pretty much everything.

A lot of good, not great prospects in the pipeline has the immediate to long term outlook of this team so grim (on top of the contracts and cap issues currently)

Detroit needs a star to build around and I dont think Larkin, Mantha, or Svehnikov are that for the red wings. They are nice pieces, but I feel if those are the guys you are building around, Detroit will be a bad to mediocre team for a long time

If I'm Detroit, I wait until the draft to see who drafts Svechnikov. Then trade Svechnikov to that team to reunite the brothers and take a good defenseman as return.

 

[Arkantoss]

Does Detroit have the pieces necessary to land Erik Karlsson?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I'm telling you, they are just standing pat till Yzerman can take over, they've had it planned this way for years

Tampa has been their GM farm team

Can't Yzerman make the jump this summer?

Why in the hell would yzerman leave a jet set team in Tampa? They are locked and loaded to be contenders for the next 5 years easily

He would be walking into arguably the worst shape franchise in the league, for what? Nostalgia?

Thats the definition of going penthouse to outhouse

 

[Lion Hound]

Marc Staal would look fantastic in red and white!

 

[bellringer77]

He can wonder but the reality is it would make no sense for Detroit or Letang

but it makes sense in Holland's mind most likely.

 

[bellringer77]

Marc Staal would look fantastic in red and white!

No way. thanks for offering lol

 

[bellringer77]

Why would Detroit trade for a top defenseman? I thought most of their fans were upset by all the winning going on and in favor of tearing it all down?

what winning going on?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Would love to see them give up Mantha/Larkin and a top 5 pick to get one.

Would be nonsensical considering there's 2, maybe three defenders that could go top 5.

 

[Datsyukian Deke]

Does Detroit have the pieces necessary to land Erik Karlsson?

No thanks, we need another Lidstrom, not another Coffey. Not as if guys like Lidstrom grow on trees, mind you.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

is it too difficult for the OP to actually use the quote from 31 thoughts and provide a link?

I was just about to post the exact same thoughts. If you're starting the topic, at the very least, don't be lazy. Provide a link.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Detroit plan for this season should be:

1. Deal Green for futures
2. Deal Nyquist for futures
3. Deal Mrazek if he isn't in the team's future plans

Head into the off-season with lots of extra picks in the draft and some cap space to resign Larkin & Mantha & add a veteran Dman on a short term deal to bridge the gap before prospects are ready.

After stocking the cupboards in the 2018 & 19 drafts they could start to turn the ship around.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Marc Staal would look fantastic in red and white!

Nope not even if you retained half of his salary!