How you would fix the Flyers (FOR FUN)

[Appleyard]

Very reasonable except the MacDonald trade (nobody is taking that contract) but still continues to keep the Flyers in the mediocre middle away from the top prospects in the draft and not really in contention much like Phoenix has been. That means the Flyers are going to have to get very lucky in their drafting to put together a Stanley cup contender. Boston was able to do it by finding gems in the 2nd rd like Bergeron and Krejci, lucking out with Tim Thomas as an older UFA and signing Chara. The rest of the recent cup winners tanked first to get their top talent.

I feel that we already have our top talent in Giroux and Voracek.

I just feel that roster or something like it would be a good compromise for the next year or two. The forward group is very well balanced, with each line capable of playing vs anyone... no ridiculous zone starts for Couturier anymore and each line should be able to chip in offensively. I feel that roster should be making the playoffs so long as the rookie D play ok. (well, just move the puck ok really!)

Honestly, with Appleyard's, I'd save the money on Bergenheim and just bring up Leier. Cheaper and has been doing very well in the AHL this year. Give him a shot.

Leier I feel is a surefire NHLer due to his skillset, but I would rather he spend probably another year in the AHL first.

Isn't Bergenheim also often injured? That's why I mention Leier. I do like the idea of Winnik though. A real gamer of a player.

Plus, you'd have to think that Morin would definitely fight for a spot next year on the roster.

Bergenheim likely plays ~65-70 games, true... but what he brings in those games is great in my book:

Since 2010-11:

19g, 33p per 82 games played.

27.9% Ozone starts
54.8% Corsi (his average team Corsi % in that time is 49.5%... ie he gets some of the tougher minutes on his team each year yet outperforms his teammates heavily.)

2014-15: Leads team in Corsi %
2013-14: Led team in Corsi %
2011-12: Led team in Corsi %
2010-11: Led team in Corsi %

He has never had negative Corsi rel in his career... and he has been generally on awful teams and playing pretty tough minutes. He can also PK and is a good goalscorer if he gets chances.

Also when he is out let call Leier up possibly, ease him in more.

Yeh, I think Morin is likely in next year, I just put the most expensive 2/3 of the D prospects who could be ready next year!

 

[Protest]

Something I've been asking for for a while is just a competent, defensive minded 4th line. It's easy to make the 4th line an after thought, but there is such a large ripple effect once you have a 4th line that can actually play. You can give Couturier and Read more ozone starts, potentially more PP time. You can cut back Giroux and Voracek's EV time throughout the year so they're fresher by the playoffs. It's really a bang for your buck kind of deal.

 

[Garbage Goal]

Bergenheim is a good, cheap, and underrated option. I'd like him to help form a competent fourth line now that I think about it.

 

[KrazyKat]

Next year. Lecavalier traded. Grossmann traded. Morin and Gostisbehere make the flyers. Re-sign Del Zotto.
Luke Schenn and a pick for Yakupov would be an idea as well. Shultz resigned. Trade for Eddie Lack. Hire Marc Crawford. Demote Berube to assistant coach. Re-Sign White if he is any good. I'm interested in him.

Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Laughton-Simmonds
Yakupov-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
White

Morin-Streit
Gostisbehere-Coburn
Del Zotto-Macdonald
Schultz

Mason
Lack


Now you have a good team.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

For a 4th line center, would you give Cousins a shot at it, or do you think the Flyers should give a one year contract to Goc?

 

[klutch]

Just for fun opinion...

Dump the rest of the season for a great draft pick..

TRADE and/or DUMP somehow...
-Vinny (must)
-B. Schenn
-L. Schenn (must)
-READ
-Bumberger (must)
-Grossman
-Coburn (must)
-Schultz

Vinny everyone agrees overpaid and not a fit.
B. Schenn just not the biggest fan of and could get a good 1st/2nd pick?
L. Schenn useless... can we have JVR back
Read i gave years to develop just dont see it get a 3rd rounder for him
Bumberger useless old, get a 5th round maybe?
Grossman see what we can get or keep another year
Coburn prolly our biggest asset that playoff teams need for young prospects/pick
Schultz useless and other teams farm league Dman

BUILD AROUND...
-Giroux
-Scorechek
-Raffl
-Wayne Train
-Coots
-Mac (if he doesnt progress please dump the contract..ewh)
-Streit (good vet for the young prospects to learn from)
-Rinaldo (need him as that grinding tough guy role if penalties don't become too much of an issue)

EndNote - Save cap space for years to come from Homes Phuck up of signings. Rebuild let the young Dman to become elite and get some legit natural wingers to fill in the offensive gaps. You can't put squares in circle holes.....
In hextall we trust... let him build this team from defense up
I love Mase keep him in the long run and he will get better each year as the D does.
Maybe a new coach after this year or next. I like Berube more as an assistant.

All IMO

 

[klutch]

Next year. Lecavalier traded. Grossmann traded. Morin and Gostisbehere make the flyers. Re-sign Del Zotto.
Luke Schenn and a pick for Yakupov would be an idea as well. Shultz resigned. Trade for Eddie Lack. Hire Marc Crawford. Demote Berube to assistant coach. Re-Sign White if he is any good. I'm interested in him.

Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Laughton-Simmonds
Yakupov-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
White

Morin-Streit
Gostisbehere-Coburn
Del Zotto-Macdonald
Schultz

Mason
Lack


Now you have a good team.

With a little bit of luck this would be a great start!

 

[Tripod]

Just for fun opinion...

Dump the rest of the season for a great draft pick..

TRADE and/or DUMP somehow...
-Vinny (must)
-B. Schenn
-L. Schenn (must)
-READ
-Bumberger (must)
-Grossman
-Coburn (must)
-Schultz

Vinny everyone agrees overpaid and not a fit.
B. Schenn just not the biggest fan of and could get a good 1st/2nd pick?
L. Schenn useless... can we have JVR back
Read i gave years to develop just dont see it get a 3rd rounder for him
Bumberger useless old, get a 5th round maybe?
Grossman see what we can get or keep another year
Coburn prolly our biggest asset that playoff teams need for young prospects/pick
Schultz useless and other teams farm league Dman

BUILD AROUND...
-Giroux
-Scorechek
-Raffl
-Wayne Train
-Coots
-Mac (if he doesnt progress please dump the contract..ewh)
-Streit (good vet for the young prospects to learn from)
-Rinaldo (need him as that grinding tough guy role if penalties don't become too much of an issue)

EndNote - Save cap space for years to come from Homes Phuck up of signings. Rebuild let the young Dman to become elite and get some legit natural wingers to fill in the offensive gaps. You can't put squares in circle holes.....
In hextall we trust... let him build this team from defense up
I love Mase keep him in the long run and he will get better each year as the D does.
Maybe a new coach after this year or next. I like Berube more as an assistant.

All IMO

So trade B Schenn for a last 1st or 2nd.

How is that a good move???

And Read for a 3rd? He was fine until this year.

 

[klutch]

So trade B Schenn for a last 1st or 2nd.

How is that a good move???

And Read for a 3rd? He was fine until this year.

Im just not a huge B schenn fan, like i said IMO and just for fun. Hopefully he proves me wrong and is a great player in a few years. His brother blows though bigtime.

Read never did much besides the PK unit which is in last place soooooooo?

 

[1865]

I have patience. I trade the deadweight (Vinny, Umberger, Macdonald, Grossmann, LSchenn) and pick up any short-term reclamation projects that may bear fruit with a change of scene. It's worked pretty well with MDZ and incredibly with Mason so let's give it a go.

You wait for the kids to come and then you make a push.

 

[KrazyKat]

Idea of a trade.
Detroit. Tatar would be perfect with couturier and read.

Braydon Coburn, Vincent Lecavalier (40% retained), 2nd Round Pick

For

Tatar and Dekeyser.


Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Laughton-Simmonds
Tatar-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
White

Dekeyser-Streit
Del Zotto-Macdonald
Grossmann-Schenn
Schultz

Team looks not too bad aside from the D. But at least salary cap issue isn't as as bad. Only problem is this trade won't ever happen.

 

[dats81]

Idea of a trade.
Detroit. Tatar would be perfect with couturier and read.

Braydon Coburn, Vincent Lecavalier (40% retained), 2nd Round Pick

For

Tatar and Dekeyser.


Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Laughton-Simmonds
Tatar-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger
White

Dekeyser-Streit
Del Zotto-Macdonald
Grossmann-Schenn
Schultz

Team looks not too bad aside from the D. But at least salary cap issue isn't as as bad. Only problem is this trade won't ever happen.

DeKeyser > Coburn
Tatar >>> Lecavalier

and we don't even have a 2nd round pick this year.

Replace VLC with Brayden Schenn or Couts and maybe Detroit might think about it twice before turning it down.

 

[Psuhockey]

The Flyers are in a very tough spot. There is nobody on the roster that can handle 1st pair defense responsibility and the prospects won't be able to handle it either right away. They also have no cap space to buy one nor an overabundance of prospects to trade for one, not that they are ever available for trade. That's why IMO the best thing to do is just stay the course.

Healthy scratch Lecavalier from now until the end of next season to see if he will really will retire two years early. Keep Umberger another season since they can't trade him. The earliest the Flyers will be able to trade Grossmann and L. Schenn is after the free agency frenzy this summer if at all but more than likely it will be at next years deadline.

I would trade Read and Coburn this year since they are the only nonessential players will actuall trade value. Those stating you need Coburn for veteran presence on a pair with a prospect don't seem to realize it is Coburn that needs a veteran presence to be good and would actually hurt a prospects transition. The flyers should build up a prospect system as rich as possible to make a trade for a veteran defensemen in 2016-2017 season or hope a guy like Seabrook hits UFA.

Staying the course will mean next year is as bad or worst than this year but it really is the only option. Maybe the Flyers could get Austin Matthews in the 2016 draft.

 

[KrazyKat]

That would be cool if the flyers did something like Jason Akeson and 4th Round pick 2016 for Jeremy Morin.


Raffl-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Laughton-Simmonds
Morin-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo-Bellemare-Umberger

Gives us 4 lines.
As for Defence pairings.

Macdonald-Streit
Grossmann-Coburn
Del Zotto-Schultz

 

[dats81]

Would there be a #1D available via trade in the offseason?

Bare with me for a second before shooting down that ludicrous question... I know, it's highly unlikely but current or future #1D have reportedly been on the market before: Subban, Letang, Phaneuf, Edler, Myers, even Shea Weber. The price would be steep but losing something equal to 2 top-6 players, a top-4 D and a first rounder could be worth the pain. Forward positions can be filled via free agency.
Just need to hit the jackpot and pick the right guy at the right time. Personally, I'm not convinced we have a future #1D in our prospect pool. I sure hope so but wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Psuhockey]

Would there be a #1D available via trade in the offseason?

Bare with me for a second before shooting down that ludicrous question... I know, it's highly unlikely but current or future #1D have reportedly been on the market before: Subban, Letang, Phaneuf, even Shea Weber. The price would be steep but losing something equal to 2 top-6 players, a top-4 D and a first rounder could be worth the pain. Forward positions can be filled via free agency.
Just need to hit the jackpot and pick the right guy at the right time. Personally, I'm not convinced we have a future #1D in our prospect pool. I sure hope so but wouldn't bet on it.

There is not a single player out there that could turn the Flyers into a Stanley Cup contender, especially when you factor in the price it would take to get them. The best teams in the league, Chicago and LA kings, have ridiculous depth up and down their roster. The Flyers do not and their prospect system in not stacked to be gutting it right now. Add Weber and Coburn and Weber would be a great 1st pair but the rest of the defense would be junk. Giroux and Voracek are excellent but the forwards after are inconsistent. This team needs years of solid drafting to turn into a contender so even adding a number 1 alone wouldn't cut. Yes they would be in the playoffs but they wouldn't be serious contenders.

I too am not convince there is a #1 defender in the current prospect system. Sanheim has the best chance but he isn't a guarantee. That is why I would like the Flyers to invest in the defense again this draft. Getting more picks in the top 2 rounds should be the priority for the rest of the season.

 

[Jtown]

Id fix the flyers in 1 of 2 ways.

Either package these young D prospects for a legit 1 and more Or trade Giroux and Voracek for a package of young forwards to match the age of our d prospects and young forwards.

Morin and a first for Chara.

or giroux to the rangers for Kreider duclair hagelin plus

voracek for schmaltz teravainen and clendening

plus trading g and v would assure us mceichel.

something along those lines.

Schenn McEichel Kreider
Duclair Coots hagelin
Read Teravainen simmer
Raffl Laughton whoever

 

[Curufinwe]

No it wouldn't. They could still finish 2nd worst, and pick 3rd overall if a team from 3-14 wins the lottery.

 

[Rebels57]

Id fix the flyers in 1 of 2 ways.

Either package these young D prospects for a legit 1 and more Or trade Giroux and Voracek for a package of young forwards to match the age of our d prospects and young forwards.

Morin and a first for Chara.

or giroux to the rangers for Kreider duclair hagelin plus

voracek for schmaltz teravainen and clendening

plus trading g and v would assure us mceichel.

something along those lines.

Schenn McEichel Kreider
Duclair Coots hagelin
Read Teravainen simmer
Raffl Laughton whoever

So much nonsense there I don't even know where to begin.

 

[hatcher]

Id fix the flyers in 1 of 2 ways.

Either package these young D prospects for a legit 1 and more Or trade Giroux and Voracek for a package of young forwards to match the age of our d prospects and young forwards.

Morin and a first for Chara.

or giroux to the rangers for Kreider duclair hagelin plus

voracek for schmaltz teravainen and clendening

plus trading g and v would assure us mceichel.

something along those lines.

Schenn McEichel Kreider
Duclair Coots hagelin
Read Teravainen simmer
Raffl Laughton whoever

Don't want too but you have to think about trading G or Voracek for a pakage of players. I agree with everything you say here but don't forget to add some players with pop to them that can play LOL. Our D prospects might not turn out and we should have players more closer to our prospects age not the other way around.

 

[Jtown]

look OP said " for fun"

this was just a quick little example of the thing i would do. But basically it comes down to a win now approach (trade d prospects) vs a win later approach( trade v and g for huge packages)

 

[daynus]

Stop making fa signings or trades such as ,vinny, McDonald. Homers doings with snyders approval. Hexy and the new management team are going a different direction, using analytics.
Trade grossman,vinny and umberger. Hopefully we end up with more picks not less. My intentions are to keep streit, and coburn, unless we get offered a first for each. B Schenn and Luke Schenn will be kept, unless we get offered good value.

 

[Halladay]

prayer, human sacrifices, whatever it takes.

 

[YEM]

for fun?
hire skinny joey merlino [huge flyers fan] to break a finger or two on #28 & 93 so as to put them down for the rest of the season
and pray for a top 2 pick & a miracle of a trade either in this offseason or the next for a legit #1 dman and hope that the younglings develop into good players on the blueline

 

[dats81]

Id fix the flyers in 1 of 2 ways.

Either package these young D prospects for a legit 1 and more Or trade Giroux and Voracek for a package of young forwards to match the age of our d prospects and young forwards.

Morin and a first for Chara.

or giroux to the rangers for Kreider duclair hagelin plus

voracek for schmaltz teravainen and clendening

plus trading g and v would assure us mceichel.

something along those lines.

Schenn McEichel Kreider
Duclair Coots hagelin
Read Teravainen simmer
Raffl Laughton whoever

Chara is 37 years old. I would not give up Morin straight up for that Dinosaur let alone this years first rounder. He does not put us over the edge and will decline rapidly.
That's much worse than the Pronger trade and re-sign (term), and even that was questionable at that time.

And as far as trading G and Voracek for smaller pieces... well, that smells fishy. Not even for fun. Just bad. Proven talent in their prime years for potential? I would want proven talent coming back, like Voracek for Seth Jones for instance.