How to lower Marner's contract

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  1. Swedish Gretzky

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    1. Play him with Kadri line

    Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen
    Hyman- Tavares- Nylander
    Brown- Kadri- MARNER
    Johnson- Goat- Lindholm

    - tbis way he boosts kadri's line but puts up less points as he wont be playing with Tavares. Put him back with JT in 2019-2020

    2. Make him the number one primary penalty killer

    Thoughts ?
     
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    Thoughts?

    Why is the actual hell would you want to mess with the chemistry they are developing. Why would you want to piss off JT after he signed and was told he would play with Marner? To try and short change him, play hard ball and piss him off?

    How about we continue to play them together, watch the magic they are able to produce and pay him what he is worth.
     
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    Throw him onto Robidas island. Hope he breaks all 4 limbs while there.
    Maybe his price drops slightly.

    Love watching him out there.
     
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    Thoughts? Absolute nonsense. This thread is absolute nonsense.
     
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    How does this make the team better??? We sign players to put up points which means it leads us to win. If you are trying to stop your players from getting points than you shouldnt be a gm or a coach. Wtf is this crap...
     
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    Meanwhile you increase kapanen value...
     
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    The real way to lower it, tell him its 10M, but on the contract take a zero off and hope he signs before he notices. Then we have Mitch for 8 years at 8M total.
     
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    Kadri and Marner are a proven point per game duo.

    Nice try lol
     
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    I'm legitimately curious how some of you think these contract negotiations go down. Artificially lowering production is a great way to piss off your young players and make them sign bridges until they're UFA and bolt. This is millions of dollars were talking about here that these young players could potentially lose from having their production thwarted.
     
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    I say bench Marner and Matthews. And also Kapanen.

    Play Gauthier as our #1 Center = Trick other teams into offering Freddy, McDavid type money....unfortunately, he becomes Freddy the Goat
     
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    My point is that you spread out the offense - allowing overall more team scoring and balanced scoring and at the same time decrease total nimbers of Marner - but increase kadri's line's numbers
     
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    Look at whats happenimg to Ehlers in winnipeg - hes put on a line with one of their less tale ted centres for the betterment of the overall team - hes not scoring as much. In this case eblers already has a co tract but if he didnt his numbers would be lower if this was his co tract year
     
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    Right but id argue he scores overall fewer points if playing with a less talented centre - but at the same time increasing the total scoring output but 'spreading out the offense' for the betterment of the team.
     
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    I guarantee that when Dubas was negotiating with Tavares, Tavares asked to play with Marner. It's not good for future UFA negotiations or team moreal if you play them together for 6 games and then split them up despite their chemistry.
     
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    Can you give me at least a 5 examples this in fact occured ?
    Im legit curious
     
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    It doesn't. Team's are smart enough to play their young players accordingly. Unless you have a moron coach like us who gives Matthews 2:00 PP TOI a game and 16 and a half minutes overall.

    Ehlers was actually on the first PP unit and played with Laine and Scheifele for the year where he signed his 6x6 contract.
     
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    So then you dont have evidence to qualify your previous statememts. Am I the only one here that thinks that the thought about somehow manipulating his play - ice time, linemates is a useful exercise in the setting of the impending and inevitable cap crunch?
     
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    This is the one. Then Marner's price will be zero! We win?
     
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    Don't think it's this easy contract wise. Agent will just extrapolate during negotiations.
     
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    No, you're not. Lots of people think that.

    It really doesn't work this way, trust me. If you're Marner's agent, and you see a moron coach intentionally limiting his production, that's going to be a big factor in negotiations. Who do you suggest they play in front of Marner? Connor Brown? None of it will go over well. Great way to piss Mitch off too: "Sorry Mitch I know Auston and Johnny are 2 of the best centers in the world but it's imperative Connor Brown plays with them instead of you."
     
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    Sure it may limit his production but you can argue that it would be for the betterment of the team - spreading the offense e.g. Sid-Malkin-Kessel
     
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    Can't and shouldn't hold a quality player back and change a good formula. Works well with Tavares, and has also been utilized on the PK to go along with his PP proficiency. The cap situation should work itself out fine enough.
     
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    Tell him you will pay him $10MM and then do it in Canadian dollars
     
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    All in all I wouldn't worry about Marner's upcoming contract my friend. These $9M-$10M numbers that are getting thrown around are completely absurd. Don't let the media scare you with this ****, they do it all the time. Just seems they're getting more classless nowadays and have amped up their fear-monger segments regarding the Leafs young players' contracts.

    Linemates are most certainly a big part of negotiations. Everything gets discussed there. If Marner puts up a godlike amount of points on Tavares' wing it's not going to default him into a massive overpayment. I mean the year before he put up 69 points, Tavares comes and he skyrockets his numbers. Management can easily come out and say that us acquiring Tavares helped your production majorly.
     
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