i think I explained myself already. if we had some viable options down on the farm we wouldnt have to sign crap like Gervais, Foster and Lilja.
I never once said i want a stacked ****ing roster in ADK. It would be nice to have a farm roster with you know actual prospects? not a bunch of ****** junior prospects no one else wanted.
Look at our roster compared to every other NHL teams farm club. Just about everyone else has guys they can call up and play. Who do we have after Gus? LOL
Pretty sad when the best otions to call up on the farm at forward are Wellwood and McGinn
Gervais is doing fine, he's quite capable down there. The other two are scrubs but they're 6/7 defensemen. What exactly do you expect from those guys and what exactly do other teams have as that guy? They're bottom pairing because they suck.
Sure, lots of teams have better prospects than us but how have they acquired it, how has it helped them?
Only 5 teams have made the play-offs as much as us since Holmgren took over.
Only 4 of those have been to the conf finals twice in that time.
Only 3 of them have been to the finals too.
We've done all that without ever really having a 'stacked ****ing roster in ADK' and despite only having a 'bunch of ****** junior prospects'. Who cares if other teams have players they can call up and play? We have all of our prospects on the roster now and doing well. Hell, we have Couturier/Schenn on the third line and will have Meszaros on our third D pairing. We lead the league in rookie scoring last year and have one of the lowest average ages in the NHL. This means a constant flow of rookies coming in isn't necessary like it is at other clubs.
A chock-a-block full AHL roster like...say, Tampa would be amazing. Let's be realistic though, it's incredibly difficult (some say impossible) to have both that and a contending NHL roster without sucking for years. Look at Tampa for example, away from their two top 2 picks and their ageing stars they don't have much else on the active roster. Look at the HF prospect rankings for example. Minnesota, Florida, Edmonton, Ottawa, St Louis, Islanders, Tampa and Montreal make up the top 8. What do all 8 of those teams have in common?
But yeah its cool having a AHL roster chalk full of AHL vets and hasbeens. If we need to trade for a scrub bottom line winger or defenseman we can just trade 1st and 2nd round picks for them. We need a backup goalie? hey just sign Boucher or Leighton. Who cares about developing a prospect on the farm.
Yup sounds good to me
Yes, it is cool having a crap AHL roster when the NHL one is this stacked. How many NHL teams have an 27-or-under core like Giroux, Read, Voracek, Couturier, Schenn, Schenn, Simmonds, Coburn and Mesz without repeatedly picking high? Are there any?
Mate, when have we ever traded 1st round picks for scrubs except for the Eminger mistake? We've traded them for stars, for Pronger, for Timonen, for Hartnell. For genuine talent that helps the team straight away. Your idea of stocking the farm may have eventually worked (no guarantee) over a few years. Holmgren's way of trading picks took us from #30 to the Conf Finals in 8 months and we've not missed the play-offs since. Florida however have been picking high and stocking well for years and look how far it's got them.
I respect and appreciate your enthusiasm for a stocked system. I just don't agree it's necessary with the set-up we've got. When we need youth we go and sign Read. If we find ourselves with an ageing, weak squad then you'll notice at that point that we also have a lot of draft picks and prospects in the system. The Flyers always have what we need.
I think you're confusing what we expect from the organization. You say the Flyers do choose a quality NHL team over organizational depth.
We're saying they should have both.
But how...? Name me 3 teams who have a quality NHL team and strong organisational depth without extended periods of poor performance. Detroit? Sure. Let's look at the other teams who've made the play-offs for the last 5 years though...
Boston - Ranked 19th. They're as good on the ice with Chara as we'd be with Pronger.
Washington - Ranked 18th. Sucked for years when they were able to draft Ovechkin and Backstrom and build their team around it.
Pittsburgh - See above. It's a lot easier to keep hold of picks when you're handed generationals like Crosby and Malkin.
San Jose - Ranked 24th.
We've had one top-5 pick in a decade, and it was in the worst draft in years. If we'd tanked in Crosby's year then I guarantee we'd have a lot more prospects in the farm right now.