Movies: Hollywood sexual harassment ( Russell Brand facing multiple allegations)

[Osprey]

Sooner or later this scandal had to reach Bryan Singer

Sooner or later, it's going to reach Kevin Bacon. That's when we'll know that no one in Hollywood is safe.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Haven't thought of Danny Masterson since "That 70's Show"

 

[Spring in Fialta]

By the way, is there any chance Louis C.K.'s movie still gets released illegally on streaming websites? I still want to watch the damn thing.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Sex, Drugs, Glamour, Emptiness: Bryan Singer’s Teen Ex-Lover Bares All About Life In Director’s Orbit
Bryan Singer Sued For Alleged 2003 Sexual Assault Of Teen; Promised Acting Roles In Exchange For Silence
this is the one we ALL knew was coming and most think this is why he bolted from London

 

[Jumptheshark]

'Death of a Salesman' Actress Accuses Dustin Hoffman of Sexual Harassment

 

[jimmythescot]

Dustom?

 

[Natey]

So is everyone guilty until proven innocent? Can I do this against like .. Nicholas Cage so I don't have to see his movies anymore?

I'm not against wrongful people being fired, etc. But it just seems like acquisitions is all that's needed now for some of these.

 

[Mach85]

So is everyone guilty until proven innocent? Can I do this against like .. Nicholas Cage so I don't have to see his movies anymore?

I'm not against wrongful people being fired, etc. But it just seems like acquisitions is all that's needed now for some of these.

Which ones...?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Call me crazy, but in any of these instances where the "victim" doesn't so much as utter a word of negative response, I don't have any sympathy for them. How the hell is a man supposed to know the difference between a woman playing coy and legitimate rejection?

Now it isn't simply "no means no" but "playfully batting away advances and giving back and foot massages when asked and grabbing the perp's genitals in kind" counts as harassment 30+ years after the fact.

If you're uncomfortable about something, at least be clear about it. People aren't mindreaders.

 

[StrangeVision]

If only humans had developed some form of verbal communication. It would also help if humans were adept at reading physical cues. The combination of the two would be pretty great. Maybe we, as a society, could even learn what actions are appropriate at a given time!

Oh well.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If only humans had developed some form of verbal communication. It would also help if humans were adept at reading physical cues. The combination of the two would be pretty great. Maybe we, as a society, could even learn what actions are appropriate at a given time!

Oh well.

The problem is that nonverbal physical cues are often as vague and open to interpretation as a European art house film, and emotions only cloud matters further. The word "no" is clear as day. If someone wants to deliver a clear message, the choice seems obvious.

 

[Osprey]

Call me crazy, but in any of these instances where the "victim" doesn't so much as utter a word of negative response, I don't have any sympathy for them. How the hell is a man supposed to know the difference between a woman playing coy and legitimate rejection?

Now it isn't simply "no means no" but "playfully batting away advances and giving back and foot massages when asked and grabbing the perp's genitals in kind" counts as harassment 30+ years after the fact.

If you're uncomfortable about something, at least be clear about it. People aren't mindreaders.

I agree. If people are coming forward years later to say, "he made me uncomfortable," when they didn't say that at the time, then that's not right, IMO. Guys are 1) expected to be forward, and 2) often not the best readers of non-verbal clues, and those two things often lead to guys being a bit inappropriate. It's not always intentional, though, and, even when it is, a guy should be given the chance to apologize right then and there. You shouldn't deny him that opportunity, bottle up the grievance and then seek a public apology from him years later. Men need to be respectful of women, but it's not a one-way street. Giving someone the opportunity to stop and apologize before you hold it against him forever is a form of respect, too.

Just about any of us men is capable of crossing a line once or twice. The difference between us and the creeps is that we want to apologize immediately if we're made aware that we've crossed a line so far that you're going to hold it against us. It's not fair to keep us in the dark and hit us with it in the future, especially embarrassing us and jeopardizing our career and/or reputation.

I'm not referring to any specific accusation and am not even sure that any so far echo this situation. I hope that none do, though I'm afraid that some may or may in the future. Ironically, while one of the purposes of all of this is to embolden women to speak up when the incidents happen, I'm afraid that it may encourage some to not speak up because they see how much of a weapon it can be at a later date.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I agree. If people are coming forward years later to say, "he made me uncomfortable," when they didn't say that at the time, then that's not right, IMO. Guys are 1) expected to be forward, and 2) often not the best readers of non-verbal clues, and those two things often lead to guys being a bit inappropriate. It's not always intentional, though, and, even when it is, a guy should be given the chance to apologize right then and there. You shouldn't deny him that opportunity, bottle up the grievance and then seek a public apology from him years later. Men need to be respectful of women, but it's not a one-way street. Giving someone the opportunity to stop and apologize before you hold it against him forever is a form of respect, too.

Just about any of us men is capable of crossing a line once or twice. The difference between us and the creeps is that we want to apologize immediately if we're made aware that we've crossed a line so far that you're going to hold it against us. It's not fair to keep us in the dark and hit us with it in the future, especially embarrassing us and jeopardizing our career and/or reputation.

I'm not referring to any specific accusation and am not even sure that any so far echo this situation. I hope that none do, though I'm afraid that some may or may in the future. Ironically, while one of the purposes of all of this is to embolden women to speak up when the incidents happen, I'm afraid that it may encourage some to not speak up because they see how much of a weapon it can be at a later date.

Absolutely, the bolded in particular.

The Franken and Hoffman accusations in particular bother me. Franken, because the things he did were either fairly innocent/minor or open to interpretation, and Hoffman because in the linked article there doesn't seem to be any indication that the accuser actually told him that she wasn't on board with what he was doing despite having plenty of opportunities to do so.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Dustin Hoffman Accused of Exposing Himself to a Minor, Assaulting Two Women (EXCLUSIVE)

Hoffman is 80 or something so he will just say he is now retired--but it looks like his career is over

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Dustin Hoffman Accused of Exposing Himself to a Minor, Assaulting Two Women (EXCLUSIVE)

Hoffman is 80 or something so he will just say he is now retired--but it looks like his career is over

Well, there it is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt based on earlier accusations but there's no excusing that.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Well, there it is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt based on earlier accusations but there's no excusing that.

Yeah- one or two things I will question but as more stories come out from different woman and Hoffman more or less admitting some of what has come out is true? most are 20 years ago but that does not matter--makes me sad

 

[Static]

This whole thing has really shrunk the amount of movies I will let myself watch now. What is wrong with these people?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

This whole thing has really shrunk the amount of movies I will let myself watch now. What is wrong with these people?

A great movie is a great movie and a great performance is a great performance. Separate the man from the art.

It's not like Hoffman's getting royalties every time you watch The Graduate.

 

[Static]

A great movie is a great movie and a great performance is a great performance. Separate the man from the art.

It's not like Hoffman's getting royalties every time you watch The Graduate.

I can do that in sports easier than I can in film I guess. Just makes me uncomfortable.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I can do that in sports easier than I can in film I guess. Just makes me uncomfortable.

Comes down to personal preference in the end. It's easier if you consider that artists are often very complex/flawed human beings, and success often allows people to indulge their compulsions. I can't imagine film buffs refusing to watch Chinatown because of Polanski's transgressions.

 

[Huggy43]

Maybe people shouldn't put their favourite entertainers on a pedestal? They are human afterall & do awful things.

It's funny how a public perception can be built up, Yoko Ono has done it quite nicely with John Lennon. The guy is a musical god in my mind but I also know he was a messed up person. He's seen in the as "Imagine" & "Peace & Love" guy but he did some shitty things. You know how Trump mocked the disabled reporter & everyone got on him? Lennon did that nightly to his audiences. Now you don't hear about that do you?

Moral of the story? Just because you're famous doesn't mean you can't have a dark side.

 

[Pilky01]

‘Silicon Valley’ Star T.J. Miller Accused of Sexually Assaulting and Punching a Woman

The names are rarely all that surprising.

 

[izlez]

Call me crazy, but in any of these instances where the "victim" doesn't so much as utter a word of negative response, I don't have any sympathy for them. How the hell is a man supposed to know the difference between a woman playing coy and legitimate rejection?

Now it isn't simply "no means no" but "playfully batting away advances and giving back and foot massages when asked and grabbing the perp's genitals in kind" counts as harassment 30+ years after the fact.

If you're uncomfortable about something, at least be clear about it. People aren't mindreaders.

The simple thing here is to assume the answer is "no" until you get a clear "yes", rather than "yes" until you get a clear "no".

 

[Spring in Fialta]

The simple thing here is to assume the answer is "no" until you get a clear "yes", rather than "yes" until you get a clear "no".

Not to mention, it's blatantly easy to tell when a woman is being coy sexually. It's the whole f***ing point. Her playfulness isn't obscure nor is it supposed to be.

 

[Pilky01]

I've never been in a situation where I had to wonder to myself "did I have consent for that?".

My rule of thumb is that if you feel like you need to ask for consent then you almost certainly don't have it.