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HOH Top Centers - Round 2 Voting Results
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Well Tarheel was able to convince me along with some others it seems.
Also thanks to TDMM and HT18 for their work in this project.
Also I just can't wait until they reveal everyone's ballots and people crucify me for how horrible mine was
Also thanks to TDMM and HT18 for their work in this project.
Also I just can't wait until they reveal everyone's ballots and people crucify me for how horrible mine was
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Canadiens1958
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Glad its over. Now onto the interesting post project discussions.
Look forward to reading how Sven Tumba was overlooked.
Look forward to reading how Sven Tumba was overlooked.
TheDevilMadeMe
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The crazy thing is that not a single person had Colville in their top 60 during Round 1. His highest ranking was 61.
Canadiens1958
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I remember saying, maybe a year ago, that Colville had nothing to do in the Top-60. I'll try to find the exact quote.
Joe Primeau appears to have taken quite a drop. Lafontaine as well.
tarheelhockey
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The support for Foyston may have something to do with Duke Keats being in already. Someone who really liked Keats may have been inclined to vote highly for Foyston.
Similarly, Colville and Lemaire were similar types of player. Lemaire wasn't here this time, so perhaps his support gravitated to Colville.
For the record, I had Sedin #1 this round.
Similarly, Colville and Lemaire were similar types of player. Lemaire wasn't here this time, so perhaps his support gravitated to Colville.
For the record, I had Sedin #1 this round.
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Or maybe it has to do with their placement vs closer comparable from their own era ?
Colville is a lot like Schmidt. (Poor man)
Sedin is a lot like Thornton. (Poor man)
Roenick is a bit like a blend of Sundin and Nieuwndyk.
Primeau and Lafontaine are special cases.
Ohashi_Jouzu*
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Oof. Did he never even come up? Really unfortunate that he had to turn down the Bruins to maintain national team eligibility with Sweden, as surely he could have had the kind of production/performances in that NHL era which could have caught more attention in this project. Imagine, a 6'2 200 lbs highly-skilled Swedish centre in the mid-'50s...
1989: Nominated the best Swedish ice hockey player throughout time.
TheDevilMadeMe
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The Round 1 aggregate list is now posted: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1626677
4 of 23 participants had Tumba on their lists.
4 of 23 participants had Tumba on their lists.
It's a very back door victory IMO and was a bit predictable as well.
I was on record suggesting the tiebreaker should have been to the actual 2 guys tied.
The process really hurt Lafontaine who obviously had a worse week than Neil or Frank did.
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I have a theory on what happened.
I mean, I myself had Colville first in that group. Which totally made sense, considering where I had him last round (3rd) and who were the ones I ranked above him (Keats and Lemaire).
I don't think it was strong but it was put out there and something that sure is open for discussion, the number of guys per any era but man that era was just plain weak for centers (and pretty weak overall IMO) compared to the hill Pat and Jeremey ahd
Kyle McMahon
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Seemed to be suggestions that Colville's era was under-represented, yet no reason was ever given as to why Lach, Bentley, and Abel were not being considered a part of Colville's era for comparison purposes.
tarheelhockey
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IIRC, that question was asked to me and I retracted the word "era" in favor of talking about the late 30s and early 40s specifically.
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My apologies, I must have missed that amongst the flurry of Colville-related posts.
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tarheelhockey
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Also, as far as considering Colville in the same group as Lach, Bentley and Abel.
Colville was 4-6 years younger than each of those players. Normally that wouldn't be a big difference, but the timing of WWII meant that Colville went off to war when he was 28, and returned to the NHL when he was 31. As noted upthread, there was a noticeable lack of over-30 players in the years immediately following the war (maybe due to war effects, maybe just by random chance, I haven't looked into it) so he was actually the oldest player in the league at an unusually young age.
This put Colville in a different cohort of players than the other three, who were distinctly post-WII players. Bentley left for war at only 22 and came back at 25, winning a couple of Art Rosses right off the bat as he was still in his athletic prime. Abel came back at 28, the same age Colville was when he left. Lach was virtually unaffected by the war, other than beating up on a weak league in the absence of serious competition. Coincidentally, all three of them played until 1954, compared to Colville in 1949.
Which isn't to say that they should be compared as being part of the same large-scale "era" -- but there's an unusually large gap in circumstances for players so close in age. Colville's career timing is awkward and tends to defy comparisons to post-WWII players despite being part of a similar demographic.
Colville was 4-6 years younger than each of those players. Normally that wouldn't be a big difference, but the timing of WWII meant that Colville went off to war when he was 28, and returned to the NHL when he was 31. As noted upthread, there was a noticeable lack of over-30 players in the years immediately following the war (maybe due to war effects, maybe just by random chance, I haven't looked into it) so he was actually the oldest player in the league at an unusually young age.
This put Colville in a different cohort of players than the other three, who were distinctly post-WII players. Bentley left for war at only 22 and came back at 25, winning a couple of Art Rosses right off the bat as he was still in his athletic prime. Abel came back at 28, the same age Colville was when he left. Lach was virtually unaffected by the war, other than beating up on a weak league in the absence of serious competition. Coincidentally, all three of them played until 1954, compared to Colville in 1949.
Which isn't to say that they should be compared as being part of the same large-scale "era" -- but there's an unusually large gap in circumstances for players so close in age. Colville's career timing is awkward and tends to defy comparisons to post-WWII players despite being part of a similar demographic.
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