HOH Top Centers - Round 2 Voting Results

[Hawkey Town 18]

Vote 1 - Lists received from 21 out of 23 possible voters

Vote 2 - Lists received from 20 out of 23 possible voters




Vote 3 - Lists received from 20 out of 23 possible voters

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[Hawkey Town 18]

Vote 4 - Lists received from 20 out of 23 possible voters




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[Hawkey Town 18]

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[Hawkey Town 18]

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[Hawkey Town 18]

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Vote 15 - Lists received from 17 out of 23 possible voters

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Vote 16 - Lists received from 17 out of 23 possible voters


Results of the tiebreak procedure
First of all, the decision to have a tiebreaker won. 13-6 overall votes, 12-4 by voting members of this project: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=97683

The tiebreaker only broke one of the ties.

Dionne beats Forsberg 10-9 in the tiebreak and will be ranked over him.
Smith and Perreault remain tied 9-9
Roenick and Lafontaine (such that they received enough support to be added) remain tied 8-8-1

 

[tarheelhockey]

I think that's the clearest consensus we've ever had about the top 4 or 5 in any project.

Edit: thanks HT

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

It's certainly a change for me to be waiting in suspense just like everyone else for the votes to be released.

I'm really happy with the top 4 - that was my order, as well. I tried justifying Morenz over Beliveau, but just couldn't get over Beliveau's playoff record.

Looks like Stan Mikita has the inside track to finishing 5th. If anyone thinks that another player deserves to finish 5th, you'll need to show why he should be ranked ahead of Mikita (but please wait for the proper thread to be up) .

I had a hell of a time deciding between 5-7. Glad that my vote didn't change anything.

More people had Beliveau over Lemieux than had Lemieux over Gretzky? Someone voted Lemieux 5th?

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

More people had Beliveau over Lemieux than had Lemieux over Gretzky? Someone voted Lemieux 5th?

I followed the discussion pretty closely and I think I have an idea who it is.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Sorry, meant to vote, but I'm an Indianapolis Colts fan and I got sucked up in the game. My vote would not have changed this order. Very happy with the top four, I thought it was a fairly clear distinction between 4 and 5, and I'm glad the voters felt that way as well.

 

[Plural]

Quite close to what we all felt like was coming. Lemieux at 5th is not too big surprise, one voter has stated beforehand that at leas Beliveau is going to be ahead of Mario in his list.

What surprises is the consensus on top-5. When have this amount of (stubborn) voters had this deep agreement? Never I guess.

 

[ted2019]

Matched My Top 4. Surprised that Messier wasn't higher.

 

[MXD]

Someone having Lemieux on 5th reflects badly on us a group, I'm afraid.

 

[bigbuffalo313]

Matched My Top 4. Surprised that Messier wasn't higher.

I thought you said that you ended up moving Beliveau above Lemieux?

 

[Plural]

Someone having Lemieux on 5th reflects badly on us a group, I'm afraid.

I don't think it is going to have too much affect. Is it really significantly more controversial than to have Hasek as 7th?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Someone having Lemieux on 5th reflects badly on us a group, I'm afraid.

I'm sure if we polled the entirety of the hockey intelligentsia, someone somewhere would have Lemieux 5th. It's not a flaw to have a range of perspectives represented (as in also having a vote for Lemieux in 1st, which is a small but significant minority opinion).

 

[MXD]

I don't think it is going to have too much affect. Is it really significantly more controversial than to have Hasek as 7th?

To me, it is.

 

[MXD]

I'm sure if we polled the entirety of the hockey intelligentsia, someone somewhere would have Lemieux 5th. It's not a flaw to have a range of perspectives represented (as in also having a vote for Lemieux in 1st, which is a small but significant minority opinion).

Lemieux first is... well, defendable.

 

[Plural]

To me, it is.

I don't know about that. For me Lemieux is clearly 2nd best C ever. In a same way Hasek is clearly top-3 goalie of all-time.

But, it's good to have variety of opinions. If something, I think having different views increases the integrity of the HOH-list. Not reduce it.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Outside the bubble of hfboards, I think you'll find Hasek in #7 among goalies a much more mainstream opinion than Lemieux at #5 among centers.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Well, I'm glad to see how clean the top 4 was. I do feel like a bit of a boob being the only one to vote for Clarke at 5th, but what can you do.

 

[MadArcand]

I don't think it is going to have too much affect. Is it really significantly more controversial than to have Hasek as 7th?

Both are quite crazy, considering I find both to be clear-cut top-2 in their position.

But I think the Hasek vote actually mattered in the final rankings, unlike this one.

 

[ted2019]

I thought you said that you ended up moving Beliveau above Lemieux?

I changed My mind at the last minute.

 

[Sentinel]

Like I said, Trottier is very underrated here.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Outside the bubble of hfboards, I think you'll find Hasek in #7 among goalies a much more mainstream opinion than Lemieux at #5 among centers.

That might be the result of the Canadian media's own bubble. They really like Marty because of cup counting and longevity.


Neither rating is particularly defensible.