bobbeaver
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- Oct 7, 2013
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finland was not as good as today how ever since 1976 in the olympics they were worse than 4th place 3 times, US has in the olympics 2 gold 8 silver and 1 bronze, with worst results coming from 84-02. Those are the countries that lagged way behind? Germany has been consistent with their results, although with "hickups" since 1991. I can give you the sources.
Swiss, you got me there although you forget they were a force to be reckoned with till late 50's winning quie a bit of bronze medals, so am i wrong in saying they are a traditional hockey country? They had the strong foundation and the love of the game.
About France and Italy you are right i switched them around. I do know Italians tried to recruit italian decent NA players for Turin to do better. But there might be hope with Milano wanting to get into KHL, and as i hear into EBEL first.
Your comment about Hungary. I said the NAMED states which were top tier teams n i mentioned the rapid growth of Denmark. SO where was i wrong there? Did i say they are getting better? yes. Is it as fast as Denmark or i dn France (no counting the Quebecker players but French born)? No. And you are wrong they are not steady behind the nations you mentioned. They are still bouncing between division 1a and 1b and position. only in last 3 years are they steady in 1A. i mean they had better placement results in the 70's.
Ur right i meant Puerto Rico lol. They beat US NBA dream team in the 2004 Olympics. Sure France beating Russia, those are upsets in an outclassed fight, but still in bball lately has had more interesting results. To compare it in hockey it would be like Hungary got into the elite tier and got through into the quarter finals, that is what Finland did in last Euro champ. Same thing with Belgium, or Latvia beating Lithuania (it would be like in hockey the France Russia game). This happened all on this same Euro championships. My point was Bball has developed to a competitive level in many more non traditional countries than hockey through investment. Show me proof it aint so. This point you evaded completely in your rebuttal. And this was my original point aswell as the IIHF ineptitude.
In concern to Asian hockey. Well if that is how IIHF helps its pathetic. Japanese league folded. the Asian league is all over the place with the format and its just weird. During its time one of the top, if not the best Japanese team folded, second Chinese team folded and the one it has is full of foreign players. Japanese hockey attendance has dramatically fallen. and as you said Japanese were way above the rest. Only progress is Korean when they made the army team so players dont quite hockey while in the army. But every home country of the Olympics invests into the "jewel" sports, as hockey is, will it last? i sure hope so. But Asian league is still a mess, and this should be IIHF territory. And giving free birth to the main championships is pointless if you dont help with the ground work first. How does it help if they are just brutally out classed, how exactly does that help to create better players or help em learn something exactly?
Gee thanks but seams you were wrong about alot of things your self there buddy so i gave you a couple of partial points too But you still didnt actually answer or rebuff any of my points just nitpicked about details.
Swiss, you got me there although you forget they were a force to be reckoned with till late 50's winning quie a bit of bronze medals, so am i wrong in saying they are a traditional hockey country? They had the strong foundation and the love of the game.
About France and Italy you are right i switched them around. I do know Italians tried to recruit italian decent NA players for Turin to do better. But there might be hope with Milano wanting to get into KHL, and as i hear into EBEL first.
Your comment about Hungary. I said the NAMED states which were top tier teams n i mentioned the rapid growth of Denmark. SO where was i wrong there? Did i say they are getting better? yes. Is it as fast as Denmark or i dn France (no counting the Quebecker players but French born)? No. And you are wrong they are not steady behind the nations you mentioned. They are still bouncing between division 1a and 1b and position. only in last 3 years are they steady in 1A. i mean they had better placement results in the 70's.
Ur right i meant Puerto Rico lol. They beat US NBA dream team in the 2004 Olympics. Sure France beating Russia, those are upsets in an outclassed fight, but still in bball lately has had more interesting results. To compare it in hockey it would be like Hungary got into the elite tier and got through into the quarter finals, that is what Finland did in last Euro champ. Same thing with Belgium, or Latvia beating Lithuania (it would be like in hockey the France Russia game). This happened all on this same Euro championships. My point was Bball has developed to a competitive level in many more non traditional countries than hockey through investment. Show me proof it aint so. This point you evaded completely in your rebuttal. And this was my original point aswell as the IIHF ineptitude.
In concern to Asian hockey. Well if that is how IIHF helps its pathetic. Japanese league folded. the Asian league is all over the place with the format and its just weird. During its time one of the top, if not the best Japanese team folded, second Chinese team folded and the one it has is full of foreign players. Japanese hockey attendance has dramatically fallen. and as you said Japanese were way above the rest. Only progress is Korean when they made the army team so players dont quite hockey while in the army. But every home country of the Olympics invests into the "jewel" sports, as hockey is, will it last? i sure hope so. But Asian league is still a mess, and this should be IIHF territory. And giving free birth to the main championships is pointless if you dont help with the ground work first. How does it help if they are just brutally out classed, how exactly does that help to create better players or help em learn something exactly?
Gee thanks but seams you were wrong about alot of things your self there buddy so i gave you a couple of partial points too But you still didnt actually answer or rebuff any of my points just nitpicked about details.
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