''History shows Bobrovsky should be a lock for MVP nod''

[Shruggs Peterson]

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1266760-history-shows-bobrovsky-should-be-a-lock-for-mvp-nod


Season Player Wins GAA Sv% 1st place votes (%)


1996-97 Dominik Hasek 37 2.27 .930 96.1%
1997-98 Dominik Hasek 33 2.09 .932 92.4%
2001-02 Jose Theodore 30 2.11 .931 70%
2014-15 Carey Price 44 1.96 .933 95.4%
2016-17* Bobrovsky 41 1.97 .935


Since 1962, the Hart Trophy has been awarded to a goalie only 4 times, with Hasek winning it twice. In the article it says Hasek beat out Kariya (99 points) and Lemieux (122 points) in 1997, and Jagr (102 points) in 1998. Since it doesn't appear that anyone will score 50 goals nor score 100 points, it has to go to the best cop on the force, right?

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[Beige Van]

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1266760-history-shows-bobrovsky-should-be-a-lock-for-mvp-nod


Season Player Wins GAA Sv% 1st place votes (%)


1996-97 Dominik Hasek 37 2.27 .930 96.1%
1997-98 Dominik Hasek 33 2.09 .932 92.4%
2001-02 Jose Theodore 30 2.11 .931 70%
2014-15 Carey Price 44 1.96 .933 95.4%
2016-17* Bobrovsky 41 1.97 .935


Since 1962, the Hart Trophy has been awarded to a goalie only 4 times, with Hasek winning it twice. In the article it says Hasek beat out Kariya (99 points) and Lemieux (122 points) in 1997, and Jagr (102 points) in 1998. Since it doesn't appear that anyone will score 50 goals nor score 100 points, it has to go to the best cop on the force, right?

I think he will be a finalist, but won't win. He has a much stronger team playing in front of him than Price or Hasek did. Theodore should never have won - Iggy was robed that year.

 

[TheOllieC]

He should at least be a finalist. McDavid hype is busting at the seams though with him finally pulling a team with a historically bad stretch of years, into the playoffs. Never mind the fact that it's a Canadian one

 

[Doctor No]

Anyone who follows "history" knows that you don't bet the house on something where the sample size is a cherry-picked sample of n=4.

 

[MoeBartoli]

He should at least be a finalist. McDavid hype is busting at the seams though with him finally pulling a team with a historically bad stretch of years, into the playoffs. Never mind the fact that it's a Canadian one

It's not like the Blue Jackets franchise is a perennial power. Projected to be last Place by the "smart guys", will at worst end with Second or third most points playing in the toughest division. Bob's the man!

 

[major major]

I think there's a strong case for Bob, but they should have included Hasek's .937 season, when he didn't win the Hart. Jagr had an insane year that year. And Tim Thomas had a .938 in 2011, and somehow lost the Hart to Corey Perry??? I'm guessing the 57 games played by Thomas wasn't enough.

 

[Leafs87]

Of all years I think this should be the one as no player has run away with it

 

[Frank Drebin]

Two reasons why he's not the frontrunner:

1. A goalie just won all the hardware 2 years ago (Bobs season is arguably more impressive than Price hart)

2. A Russian in Columbus, like who cares about that guy

 

[Nucker101]

Anyone who follows "history" knows that you don't bet the house on something where the sample size is a cherry-picked sample of n=4.

Not to mention that sv%'s are higher these days compared to the early 2000's and 90's so really only Price is comparable

 

[Nanaki]

I don't think a goalie is going to win it deserving or not.

 

[zar]

He deserves to be a finalist for sure, he had a great season, but there are 97 reasons why he won't win it.

 

[TopShelfYzerman]

Impressive but what immediately comes to mind is that save % is higher and scoring is lower than any of the other seasons that a goalie won the Hart so that must be taken into account.

 

[Syckle78]

Impressive but what immediately comes to mind is that save % is higher and scoring is lower than any of the other seasons that a goalie won the Hart so that must be taken into account.

Did you look up numbers to make that claim or just guess? I'd be interested to see the difference as those were all low scoring years.

 

[Quack Shot]

I think there's a strong case for Bob, but they should have included Hasek's .937 season, when he didn't win the Hart. Jagr had an insane year that year. And Tim Thomas had a .938 in 2011, and somehow lost the Hart to Corey Perry??? I'm guessing the 57 games played by Thomas wasn't enough.

Corey Perry single handily took the Ducks to the playoffs with his 50 goals after the Ducks lost Hiller half the season.

Thomas had a good season, but he wasn't the most valuable player to his team compared to how valuable Perry was to the Ducks.

 

[Seanaconda]

Did you look up numbers to make that claim or just guess? I'd be interested to see the difference as those were all low scoring years.

Save percentage is definitely higher other than maybe prices year. Idk what prices competition was that year tho.

But back when Hasek played save percentage average was like .900 if not less

Right now I would assume the average would be around .915 or around there for starting goalies

Edit. Looked it up its .913 Haseks years were. 905 and .906

 

[Hynh]

Did you look up numbers to make that claim or just guess? I'd be interested to see the difference as those were all low scoring years.

1996-97 .905
1997-98 .906
2001-02 .908
2014-15 .915
2016-17 .913

The real difference is in the amount of goal support Bobrovsky gets

1996-97 Sabres 237 (13th)
1997-98 Sabres 211 (17th)
2001-02 Habs 213 (18th)
2014-15 Habs 221 (18th)
2016-17 Jackets 256 (projected, 5th in G/GP, 235 in 75 games actual)

 

[Fallschirmyager]

Two reasons why he's not the frontrunner:

1. A goalie just won all the hardware 2 years ago (Bobs season is arguably more impressive than Price hart)

2. A Russian in Columbus, like who cares about that guy

I'm thinking the NHL's shiny young toy in Edmonton helping that team back to the playoffs after a decade drought is going to trump anything else. Not saying anyone else isn't deserving. I'm saying that's the best story of those that could be argued are deserving.

 

[AngelDuck]

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Bob
4. Kane

That's how I see it but I can see an argument for Bob ahead of Crosby

 

[Seanaconda]

1. McDavid
2. Crosby
3. Bob
4. Kane

That's how I see it but I can see an argument for Bob ahead of Crosby

I feel like kucherov should be above Kane this year just because his team is awful

 

[smackdaddy]

Only thing stopping him is McDavid sooo..

 

[nhlfan9191]

I think he will be a finalist, but won't win. He has a much stronger team playing in front of him than Price or Hasek did. Theodore should never have won - Iggy was robed that year.

Calgary didn't make the playoffs while Theodore was the only reason the Habs made it in. Even then the votes were tied and controversial. It's incredibly hard for a goalie to win.

 

[AngelDuck]

I feel like kucherov should be above Kane this year just because his team is awful

I could agree with that but it's close

I've become very high on Kane the last 2 years. So much that I think he's on the Crosby/McDavid level offensively

 

[Frankenheimer]

he's in the debate. Just that he's had a lot of average years and goalies have anomaly seasons. Although it should have a bearing it probably does.

Also goalie stats are useless when looked at in absolute terms. Should be looked at in relative terms.

 

[Trap Jesus]

He's definitely got a good shot to be 3rd.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Bobrovsky or McDavid? It's close.

Bobrovsky's overall goaltending stats are more impressive. Wins, gaa, save percentage are all standouts. While McDavid leads the league in points, he's tied for 28th in goals. That isn't very impressive for a Hart candidate.

Nod goes to Bob.