HFVan Hockey League 2018/19 Part II - Draft Looming

[Tryamkin]

PREDS THROW OUT OLD CONDONS
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To TOR: Andrew Cogliano, Patrick Eaves, Mike Condon, Marco Scandella, 32nd overall pick
To NSH: Future Considerations

 

[Tryamkin]

ADAM FOX OFF TO CALGARY
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To CGY: 18th overall + Adam Fox
To TOR: 7th overall

 

[Tryamkin]

MURRAY IN A HURRY
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To NSH: 83th overall (19’ ANA) + Matt Murray
To TBL: 2020 VGK 2nd + 128th overall (19’ NSH) + 129th overall (19’ VGK) + Jason Robertson + Alex Nedeljkovic

 

[Intoewsables]

Not relevant yet, but could I ask for some Euro considerations when it comes to the draft clock? Last year I always tried to get others to help me make picks if the clock ticked away when I was asleep. I´ll try to organise it in the same way this year, but it can be quite stressful when the time limit drops to only hours. Generally speaking I believe I´m quite fast at drafting - so it won´t be because of me we might end up running short on time come end of the draft.

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for but I would definitely suggest that anyone in another time zone submit a list when we get to having time limits.

 

[Intoewsables]

Now that trades are starting to happen, we seem to have run into the issue of clauses again. There seems to be a lot of drama here and it's not much fun for anyone -- the teams involved, the agents, and even for me. I believe we've talked about making a change to this before, and I'd like to seriously consider this as one of our offseason rule changes.

FOSCO has proposed what I think is a good alternative: make all full NTCs and NMCs behave more like the modified clauses. Rather than having full trade restriction, players will be forced to provide a list of 'x' amount of teams if their team asks for one. This should allow for more flexibility without removing clauses entirely.

Another option would be to scrap them entirely moving forward, and just expect teams to pay more for the UFAs who would usually get an NTC/NMC. This would likely need to be grandfathered in and would not apply to previously signed contracts unless we come up with a good way to handle those.

Again, this is something I'd like to handle with the rest of our potential rule changes this offseason unless it gets to the point where we just can't deal with clauses anymore. Would like some input from all of you to see where you're all at right now.

 

[canucklax]

Personally against NTCs in fantasy hockey, I'd be happy to see them become less restrictive or scrapped. Idea of having players paid more to compensate could lead to more guys going to FA which would be interesting.

 

[Joey Moss]

I think in a league like this when you finally make a trade and it gets veto'd it's a bit deflating and causes you to lose interest a bit. It's different for an NHL GM who gets paid to deal with things like that and the average Joe who's spending their own free time with the league. You're also asking for too much out of the agents to make the final call when they have an outside view of where the manager sees their team going.

The list thing makes more sense but you might run into similar problems with how agent sees team vs. where you want to take the team. I would still welcome that change or scrapping the clauses.

 

[Intoewsables]

Personally against NTCs in fantasy hockey, I'd be happy to see them become less restrictive or scrapped. Idea of having players paid more to compensate could lead to more guys going to FA which would be interesting.

This is a good point too.

 

[Intoewsables]

IGNORE ME

 

[CanucksSTM]

One of Smith/Reimer/Murray will need to be waived. @CanucksSTM

Bye Bye Reimer.

 

[donut]

Can't he just send down players in the off-season? Waivers I thought are optional in the off-season and teams need to make a decision when they submit final rosters.... no?

 

[Havre]

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for but I would definitely suggest that anyone in another time zone submit a list when we get to having time limits.

I seem to remember it went down to 1 hour last year? That is potentially 8 picks. And then you try to find someone that is not picking before you to make your pick (as you don’t want to give away to much information to GMs picking before you). I wasn’t specifically asking for anything, but ideally, pure selfishly from my side, a pick that just happens to fall early morning Europe adds a couple of hours on the clock.

Not a big deal, but last year was a bit stressful for a couple of the picks. Maybe more so on the earlier ones that are more important. Especially when it might have been 10 picks before me that happened quickly. Then it becomes really hard to plan.

I think I’m probably the only one outside of NA in the league? So it wouldn’t mean there would be special provisions for a lot of GMs.

 

[CanucksSTM]

Can't he just send down players in the off-season? Waivers I thought are optional in the off-season and teams need to make a decision when they submit final rosters.... no?

That's what I assumed, Toews said no.

 

[Intoewsables]

Can't he just send down players in the off-season? Waivers I thought are optional in the off-season and teams need to make a decision when they submit final rosters.... no?

Yeah sorry, ignore me. Too much going on right now...

 

[Intoewsables]

I seem to remember it went down to 1 hour last year? That is potentially 8 picks. And then you try to find someone that is not picking before you to make your pick (as you don’t want to give away to much information to GMs picking before you). I wasn’t specifically asking for anything, but ideally, pure selfishly from my side, a pick that just happens to fall early morning Europe adds a couple of hours on the clock.

Not a big deal, but last year was a bit stressful for a couple of the picks. Maybe more so on the earlier ones that are more important. Especially when it might have been 10 picks before me that happened quickly. Then it becomes really hard to plan.

I think I’m probably the only one outside of NA in the league? So it wouldn’t mean there would be special provisions for a lot of GMs.

I would suggest just sending a list to me then if you're worried about the bolded. There shouldn't be time limits on the earlier, more important picks as long as the draft rolls along smoothly. If we need to bring in time limits early, then maybe I can look into working around this for GMs like you who are in completely different time zones.

 

[Havre]

Cool.

 

[Tryamkin]

PREDS NIED FOR SPEED TRADING
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To VGK: Nino Niederreiter + NYI 2nd 2020
To NSH: Mattias Ekholm

 

[Tryamkin]

HAWKS MARCHING TOWARDS PLAYOFFS WITH CHESS MOVE
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To PHI: Dillon Dube, 2019 BOS 2nd (59th overall), 2020 PHI 5th
To CHI: Jonathan Marchessault

 

[Tryamkin]

PAJAMA BOY LUUKS FOR PLAYOFFS
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To PHI: Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, Martin Necas
To EDM: John Tavares (4M retained)

 

[Tryamkin]

A SAAD DAY FOR DRAFT LOVERS IN MUSIC CITY
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To BUF: 53rd 2019, 83rd 2019, 105th 2019, 2020 NSH 1st, 2020 NSH 2nd, 2020 NSH 3rd, 2020 NSH 4th, 2020 NSH 5th, James Reimer
To NSH: Yanni Gourde, Brandon Saad

 

[VanillaCoke]

Schols, damn ninja

 

[Tryamkin]

KINGS DO THE MATH
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To PHI: Adam Ruzicka
To LAK: Michael Matheson

 

[HankNDank]

I think scrapping nmc's this year isn't a great idea, as they will play a big role in the expansion draft. Negating them now will let a lot of teams off the hook.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

I think scrapping nmc's this year isn't a great idea, as they will play a big role in the expansion draft. Negating them now will let a lot of teams off the hook.

On the opposite side of that argument I'd point out it doesn't necessarily let teams off the hook entirely if:

A) The contract is one the expansion GM doesn't want to touch without assets added on top and/or
B) teams pay assets to lead the Seattle GM to picking a player of their choice.

 

[donut]

Easy Method
All NMC become M-NTC (3-5 teams), NTC become 16 team trade list, everything else scrapped.

Longer Method
May take a bit of time but have 3-4 GMs and Toews work together (like a committee) and reassess each team's clauses.