Prospect Info: HFOilers Ranks: Top 20 Oilers Prospects Tie-Breaker #1
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McGlassbangers
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Klefbom has higher potential, Marincin is safer bet to hit his ceiling. Imo potential #2 vs potential #3. I went with Marincin because of Klefbom's injuries.
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This shouldn't even be a tie breaker. Marincin had one more vote than Klefbom in the original poll. The proof is my post at the time saying I mistaking lot voted for Klefbom because I didn't see Marincin on the list.
Aerchon
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This.
Not sure how much but I also heard Marincin has a bit of a mean streak as well. Just needs to get a bit heavier while still maintain that silky smooth skating and excellent stick work.
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Klefbom looked to have more offensive instincts in the NHL. He also has the size and physicality to be a top d.
I take Klefbom IF he can remain healthy. If he has another injury my forecast of him will change.
Marincin is such a wildcard to me. I cant believe how good hes looked so fast. I had him as being 2 years away, then boom, hes a top 4 D. not sure if it was a lucky stretch of games or hes legit
I take Klefbom IF he can remain healthy. If he has another injury my forecast of him will change.
Marincin is such a wildcard to me. I cant believe how good hes looked so fast. I had him as being 2 years away, then boom, hes a top 4 D. not sure if it was a lucky stretch of games or hes legit
When you say offense do you mean first pass? Otherwise he looks just like Smid did offensively.. His stats tell a similar story.
I am voting Marincin. Betting on ceilings isn't my thing and Klefbom looks like a defensive specialist with a good pass, and Marincin has shown us he has more to offer at this point in time, at least at the AHL level.
Aceboogie
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No I mean in terms of joining the rush, creating an option in the offensive zone. Even getting shots through (or on net) Klefbom was better.His shots per game was a good jump higher than Marincins, and much higher than Smid. Klefbom- (.82) Marincin (.63) Smid (.35). If you want to put up offense as a defensemen, you have to be above 1 shot per game. The points will come for Klefbom
For all the hype about offense, Marincin never really took control offensively. He never jumped the play like Klefbom and his shot decisions were always conservative. I think a possible reason is he was plays tough minutes to Eakins had a lease
I really hope Klefbom gets alot of PP time next season. His shot is a cannon and very accurate
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Marincin because of his very impressive season last year. If this was before last season I would have said Klefbom for sure.
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Potential is great, but it's nice to have something more proven to balance out the prospect pool. If we didn't have Nurse I would say that Klef is more valuable.
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Klefa has huge potential. The kid is crazy strong, a good skater, and very calm with the puck. To me, he's a small step above Marincin.
Marincin had a decent half a season, how does that make it not close?
Marincin is a bit further ahead in his development and it's certainly close with Marincin getting the nod as of now. In fact, I think Klefbom was better towards the end of the season but it's such a small sample size.
I have a feeling that this poll will look a lot different in a couple of years. I'll make a bold prediction and say that Klefbom will be the Oilers best Dman by '16-'17. I just hope that he can stay healthy. Please stay healthy.
GMofOilers
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Marincin had a decent half a season, how does that make it not close?
Marincin is a bit further ahead in his development and it's certainly close with Marincin getting the nod as of now. In fact, I think Klefbom was better towards the end of the season but it's such a small sample size.
I have a feeling that this poll will look a lot different in a couple of years. I'll make a bold prediction and say that Klefbom will be the Oilers best Dman by '16-'17. I just hope that he can stay healthy. Please stay healthy.
Bold prediction, but my point is the proven guy always gets under cut on this board. Klefbom doesnt have the offense to make him a #2 dman in SEL and AHL. Marincin has already proved in the AHL and WHL that he does.
I dont think its that close right now.
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Marincin had a decent half a season, how does that make it not close?
Marincin is a bit further ahead in his development and it's certainly close with Marincin getting the nod as of now. In fact, I think Klefbom was better towards the end of the season but it's such a small sample size.
I have a feeling that this poll will look a lot different in a couple of years. I'll make a bold prediction and say that Klefbom will be the Oilers best Dman by '16-'17. I just hope that he can stay healthy. Please stay healthy.
Decent is selling him short, way short. He was pretty much our best Dman last year.
Oh and as a rookie. On one of the worst teams in the league. With probably the worst D core around him.
Klefbom was decent. Marincin was outstanding.
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Fayne is the best Oilers dman now... Marincin is #2.
Marincin could regress but if he keeps up what we saw last year... he's part of the solution on the Oilers D instead of part of the problem like the rest of the D-core.
Marincin could regress but if he keeps up what we saw last year... he's part of the solution on the Oilers D instead of part of the problem like the rest of the D-core.
Klefbom was one of the top overall Dmen in the SEL before his injury (not my words, I'm talking the opinions of Swedish fans/media who watched him play on a regular basis). He was so good that he was even surpassing Brodin in TOI during some games in Brodin's last season there. He was also a WJC All star and an absolute beast in Sweden's last 2 games. These are greater accomplishments than anything Marincin achieved pre-NHL.
I think a part of the reason why his offensive numbers looked putrid is because he was placed primarily in a shutdown role in the SEL. He was actually lauded as an offensive defenseman pre-draft so the tools are there. You can see towards the end of last season when he gained confidence that he has a nice offensive skillset. Very nice outlet pass, solid shot and good instincts. He'll never be an offensive stalwart but I could see him putting up some 25 point seasons, maybe a bit more if he gets some PP time eventually.
I just think that he has loads of potential and the only thing that has held him back is injuries. Otherwise, he would have been a fixture on the Oilers blueline by now IMO.
He was solid for sure but hit a bit of a rookie wall towards the end of the season, nothing that greatly separated him from Klefbom by any means. We're talking about a small sample size for both of these guys. Marincin is a bit further ahead currently, it's certainly not a huge gap.
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You have the rose coloured glasses of 2 years ago skewing your vision. Two years ago Klefbom was a very highly regarded Draft pick/prospect who had a solid SEL season and an amazing WJ with the sky the limit.
Fast forward to the present and he has had multiple injuries (may be injured right now wasn't able to finish the AHL playoffs) that took a full year of development from him. He has struggled in the AHL to date. In the NHL against weak opposition while on the bottom pairing he was good but when they bumped him up the line up he has some troubles. If you didn't notice him struggling at times in the NHL you weren't watching.
Marincin also struggled a bit towards the end but overall his play was nothing short of outstanding. He was quite visibly our best defenseman and underlying stats support this. Again, if you didn't notice this I am not sure what games you were watching.
Small sample size but Marincin has loads of potential to grow in every conceivable way and is already a bonified top 4 level NHL defenseman. Klefbom right now is a player that struggles in the AHL and had success in a bottom pairing role in the NHL.
Just my personal opinion, so no reason to get crazy, but I think that is a huuuge difference. Marincin (as it stands right now) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Klefbom.
I would say Klefbom still has the potential to be better than Marincin but with the injuries and both thier play to date that seems unlikely. Klefbom has a lot of catching up to do.
Anyone who says Klefbom is better than Marincin is clearly only talking potential and very obviously ignoring what has been proven to date. Thus why some are saying this fan base loves potential.
You say i'm wearing rose colored glasses then proceeded to go nuts over a solid 30 game or so stretch that Marincin had and actually called him a bonifide top 4 Dman based on that short sample size.
He was the Oilers best Dmen for a time but that's like calling him the least shiny turd. He was solid but i didn't see this outstanding play that some of you saw.
And yeah, i'm talking about Klefbom's pre-NHL career compared to Marincin's so of course i'm talking about 2 years ago.
You also have Klefbom's NHL play mixed up. He struggled mightily to start then got a lot better as his icetime and responsibility increased. Also, he was good in the Barons playoff run and according to Nelson was night and day better from early in the season.
Predicting the future of these two is subjective. It should be fairly close between the two and i don't blame those who pick Marincin but to say that Marincin is way better than Klefbom currently is simply going overboard. He's a bit further developed but the gap is currently a lot smaller than you seem to think it is.
Where their careers go from here is anybody's guess because when it boils down to it, both are largely unproven at the NHL level. Marincin being a bit more proven currently.
That's if you are of the belief that klefbom has a higher ceiling. I don't think klefbom is ever anything more than a 4/5. Marincin could be a 3 imo
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Haha wow. "Marincin" and "proven" don't belong in the same sentence. Our best defenseman? Holy ****. Puff puff pass.
