Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
People who know his tendencies in NCAA have stated that he's been pretty flexible with his rosters, changing systems and strategy over the years to suit the players he has.
News Article: Hexy- no push to sign B Schenn
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People who know his tendencies in NCAA have stated that he's been pretty flexible with his rosters, changing systems and strategy over the years to suit the players he has.
LegionOfDoom91
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It was a general statement in that if a coach can't adjust they're not going to last long in today's NHL. The jury is still out on Hakstol so I'm not going to say one way or another at this point.
Beef Invictus
Revolutionary Positivity
NCAA rosters see a lot of turnover, a team can be very different every 2-3 years. Many NHL rosters are far more stable than that. For an NCAA coach to last as long as someone like Hakstol, in any sport, they need to be flexible. It has been mentioned that while he prefers a roster that can skate, he's had slower rosters and coached appropriately for them.
But as you said, we'll see if he translates to the NHL.
Gert B Frobe
Registered User
I agree for the right return of course. Somebody more suited to the wing and maybe more consistent. If nothing worthwhile comes up then he's fine to keep as he is very talented and has the potential to get better and more consistent. I just worry about guys who play the game the way he does. There were so many games last year where he just did nothing. In the Rangers series the year before he just didn't exist. Granted neither did his linemates or the rest of the team really but I wonder if his talent could bring back a winger that's young and has more fire in him for 82 games - instead of ~50...
renberg
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Exactly; for the right return. He is an asset and not a give away. The worst case scenario is that The Flyers QO him after next season and take the compensation when he gets offer sheeted.
My problems with Schenn are: (1) that he is a center and if he stays at that position he'll cost too much for a third liner; (2) Some players can move back and forth between center and wing but Schenn doesn't seem to be able to do that. His speed is an issue in the middle and his lack of strength is one on the wing. (3) He was an early physical maturer. He looked great in Junior against guys that were not bigger/faster than him. He hasn't improved physically since then while his opponents have. Now when he goes up against guys, he doesn't fare as well. Opponents know that. Ex.-if the Caps put Wilson on the ice against him, he is a non-entity. If the right return could be had for him, I'd move him along.
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
You're seriously trying to sell that he was an early maturer looking like this:
Some times your skill level just doesn't fully translate at the NHL level that's case with Schenn.
Adtar02
@NateThompson44 is a bum
Starting to get frustrated reading a lot of this. Schenn is not a bad player. He was highly touted and hasn't lived up to that hype. He has yet to get any kind of consistent role with the team. He played all three forward positions last year I believe on at least three different lines. He is a young inconsistent play who shows signs and flashes of the dominance he had in juniors and the ahl. Would I love him to have come in and been the best from the door yes.
If that would have been the case he would have made the la team instead of being sent back.
I am hopeful he can start becoming more consistent. I see him being a better all round winger than simonds. A thought that will get me butchered in here. His biggest comparable was Richards with better skill and less defense. His biggest issue fans have with him are what their expectations were of him and him not living up.
If he gets traded I see sharp, williams, Richards, carter, success from him. He looks like he could be and really good player for the right team.
Fact is he played better at lw than other rws we tried there be cause he has some skill. He doesn't seem to think the game the same as some of our better players.
Played very well with voracek during the lock out season till they moved him up to jump start g. And that was at center. Had some success with simonds but that line would disappear for time even strength wise. As simonds has always done. Played very well with couts last year and the lock out year in ahl.
I am not trying to knock any player here just stating what I actually watched. Other players have tried other stops and struggle there as well. I would like to reserve judgement on what he is capable of when I see him being used consistently. I still have hope for him to find/ take his role for himself. He has been a great teammate. I still think he is better at any position than what we have trying to make the team.
Patience is what is being preached let's practice it ourselves. Would I be upset if we trade yes and no. Cause at this point I believe the return would look more like the jvr one than what we would want. Jvr is being praise as a stud in Toronto because he is getting better mins than here not playing better.
If that would have been the case he would have made the la team instead of being sent back.
I am hopeful he can start becoming more consistent. I see him being a better all round winger than simonds. A thought that will get me butchered in here. His biggest comparable was Richards with better skill and less defense. His biggest issue fans have with him are what their expectations were of him and him not living up.
If he gets traded I see sharp, williams, Richards, carter, success from him. He looks like he could be and really good player for the right team.
Fact is he played better at lw than other rws we tried there be cause he has some skill. He doesn't seem to think the game the same as some of our better players.
Played very well with voracek during the lock out season till they moved him up to jump start g. And that was at center. Had some success with simonds but that line would disappear for time even strength wise. As simonds has always done. Played very well with couts last year and the lock out year in ahl.
I am not trying to knock any player here just stating what I actually watched. Other players have tried other stops and struggle there as well. I would like to reserve judgement on what he is capable of when I see him being used consistently. I still have hope for him to find/ take his role for himself. He has been a great teammate. I still think he is better at any position than what we have trying to make the team.
Patience is what is being preached let's practice it ourselves. Would I be upset if we trade yes and no. Cause at this point I believe the return would look more like the jvr one than what we would want. Jvr is being praise as a stud in Toronto because he is getting better mins than here not playing better.
Adtar02
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beetee15
Long Island Bullies
i agree with everything said.
A lot of people knock him because he played a lot with G and Jake and didn't mesh with them... everyone forgets that he scored 20 goals not on they're wing... theres a lot left in the tank there and I'm eager to see what Hakstol gets out of him.
Ryker
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For the record, I'm also still a fan of Schenn. Do I think he lived up to Holmgren's hype? Nope, but I didn't believe the hype back then anyway. But he's a good player and I really hope he stays on the team.
Tripod
I hate this team
It wasn't Holmgren hype. Schenn was the #1 ranked prospect 1.5 years after being drafted.
http://mayorsmanor.com/2011/03/interview-with-hockeys-1-prospect-brayden-schenn/
But as you said, I too have no issue keeping Schenn in the team. I just am not sure where he will fit going forward. But if he can go thru all the shuffling he did last year and get 47 points, adding a bunch more if he finds that comfort spot should be expected.
renberg
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No one is indicating that Schenn is a dog of a player. He has value however he is at a position of surplus on this team where he may has less skills than Giroux and Couturier. Even as a third line center, Laughton may have more value. Then there is the issue of his contract where he is probably going to be seeking a multi year deal in the four million dollar area.
The concept that any center can be taken from that position and moved to the wing is fallacious. A player who has been at the center position has been trained to view the ice and play the game in a different way than a wing. The same is true of a wing. To move a player from one of these positions to the other is a major change that is difficult formally to do. To assume that Schenn can make this is placing a lot of trust in a chancey situation. When Schenn has had to go up against tough wingers like Tom Wilson, it has not gone well for him in the past.
The Flyers need LWs. If trading Schenn to obtain one is possible, its a better option than moving him to wing.
The concept that any center can be taken from that position and moved to the wing is fallacious. A player who has been at the center position has been trained to view the ice and play the game in a different way than a wing. The same is true of a wing. To move a player from one of these positions to the other is a major change that is difficult formally to do. To assume that Schenn can make this is placing a lot of trust in a chancey situation. When Schenn has had to go up against tough wingers like Tom Wilson, it has not gone well for him in the past.
The Flyers need LWs. If trading Schenn to obtain one is possible, its a better option than moving him to wing.
Embiid
Off IR for now
If anything Lombardi hyped him up but yeah he was hyped in general.
He is still salvageable and by no means some bust.....but he needs to absolutely take that next step this season and become more consistent with his play and production. If he can't then we can chalk it up to the Schenn gene pool....
Ryker
Registered User
Yeah, I know, but Holmgren really went above and beyond when he called him the best player outside the NHL.
Hockeypete49
How you like me now!
I agree. Ron is a big fan of Brayden's so I am not worried in the least about losing him. The kid is a gamer who even though he has been bounced around from position to position he has not complained and just keeps on working his tail off. I still believe he is part of the youth core of this team.
kelmitchell
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So do you guys think this is the year we move both schenns for a top 6 lw? I have a feeling that's what will happen if we are out of contention around the trade deadline
renberg
Registered User
Schenn + Schenn + 2nd 2016 for Jaden Schwartz
Schwartz-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Simmonds
Read-Laughton-Gagner
Bellemare-White-Umberger
This trade is very unrealistic. But imagine him in our top 6. I am in favour of packaging Schenn for a proven LW
Schwartz-Giroux-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Simmonds
Read-Laughton-Gagner
Bellemare-White-Umberger
This trade is very unrealistic. But imagine him in our top 6. I am in favour of packaging Schenn for a proven LW
Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
I would be shocked if either Schenn is moved at all. I think Luke is allowed to leave as a FA and Brayden will earn a new contract this year.
I'd say there a larger chance of someone like Streit or Schultz being moved if we're far out of the playoff picture by the deadline.
I'd say there a larger chance of someone like Streit or Schultz being moved if we're far out of the playoff picture by the deadline.
Schenn has statistically gotten better every year. Why would we trade that when he keeps getting better and better? Plus, he's had inconsistencies in line mates and position over that time but still keeps improving.
Keep the kid and see where he takes himself.
Keep the kid and see where he takes himself.
PhillyCurt12
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If Hexy is planning on letting Luke walk, there's no way he isn't traded by the deadline
Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
Well yeah, if we're far from the playoffs he'll probably try to trade him, but I don't think we'll be sellers this deadline. I think there's a good chance we're in the hunt for a wildcard spot for most of the season.
PhillyCurt12
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Fair enough. I'm a little less optimistic about where we'll be at that point in the season though
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