Hextall going for LW after the draft?
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CodyTheHuman
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totally agree. read is ****. cousins is meh. laughton is ok but has a hell of a lot to prove. besides that, unfortunately, laughton brings concussion concerns. wish we could replace that whole line.
Hasn't Bellemare played center?
Would this work. Totally agree 3rd line scares me. Hopefully we can add at least one guy in free agency
If he's a bottom sixer plug him in where he best fits if it's a top sixer drop Raffll down.
Laughton/Bellemare/Read
Leier/Cousins/VDV
Or
Laughton/Raffl/Bellemare
Leier/Cousins/Read
VDV 13th
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Im not going to be around these boards forever! Need one of you yougens to takeover my role here!
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BackWithaVengeance
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Here's another one.
If we can buy low on him I would be all for it. Start with Hägg and go from there.
Appleyard
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Tbf to Brodziak his CF% is about as good as you can hope for for a player in a role like he generally has.
Getting ~30-35% zone starts vs 2nd liners means if you can keep your CF% above 45% it is pretty good going. He is also a big body, good skater for his size and a good PKer. Also he has more offensive ability than anyone we have had on our 4th line in a while
Assuming he played to a similar level as he has over the last few years he would basically be putting up the same CF% as our 4th line has while getting 15% less Ozone starts and vs tougher competition, while also being better than any of them at PKing and providing more natural offense.
Appleyard
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For example in march I pulled this data on 4th line centres:
OZ start %:
Gaustad: 7.64%
Kruger: 17.24%
Stoll: 20.40%
Moore: 21.48%
Glendaning: 32.14%
Fehr: 33.76%
Brodziak: 34.92%
Cizikas: 40.87%
Horcoff: 42.37%
Kemppainen: 44.22%
Tierney: 45.19%
Fiddler: 45.77%
Boyle: 46.19%
McKenzie: 47.48%
Richards: 47.98%
Bellemare: 50.00%
Lecavalier: 55.51%
Corsi %:
Horcoff: 51.24% Corsi
Boyle: 50.65% Corsi
Lecavalier: 50.40% Corsi
Fiddler: 50.34% Corsi
Brodziak: 50.06% Corsi
Fehr: 49.72% Corsi
Richards: 49.89% Corsi
Cizikas: 48.85% Corsi
Kruger: 48.37% Corsi
Tierney: 47.45% Corsi
Bellemare: 46.17% Corsi
Glendaning: 45.46% Corsi
McKenzie: 44.99% Corsi
Kemppainen: 42.25% Corsi
Moore: 42.04% Corsi
Gaustad: 39.06% Corsi
Stoll: 35.96% Corsi
OZ start %:
Gaustad: 7.64%
Kruger: 17.24%
Stoll: 20.40%
Moore: 21.48%
Glendaning: 32.14%
Fehr: 33.76%
Brodziak: 34.92%
Cizikas: 40.87%
Horcoff: 42.37%
Kemppainen: 44.22%
Tierney: 45.19%
Fiddler: 45.77%
Boyle: 46.19%
McKenzie: 47.48%
Richards: 47.98%
Bellemare: 50.00%
Lecavalier: 55.51%
Corsi %:
Horcoff: 51.24% Corsi
Boyle: 50.65% Corsi
Lecavalier: 50.40% Corsi
Fiddler: 50.34% Corsi
Brodziak: 50.06% Corsi
Fehr: 49.72% Corsi
Richards: 49.89% Corsi
Cizikas: 48.85% Corsi
Kruger: 48.37% Corsi
Tierney: 47.45% Corsi
Bellemare: 46.17% Corsi
Glendaning: 45.46% Corsi
McKenzie: 44.99% Corsi
Kemppainen: 42.25% Corsi
Moore: 42.04% Corsi
Gaustad: 39.06% Corsi
Stoll: 35.96% Corsi
chupanibre
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I'd be all for that, I still think Yak has what it takes, he just needs to get out of Edmonton
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Good points. Thanks for this and your proceeding post.
I still wouldn't be happy with Cousins as 3C unless he shows he can handle more balanced usage. I'd like to see Giroux and Couturier get way more starts in the OZ.
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I like this idea. Him and Brodziak could help the forward depth a lot.
Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Yakupov-Couturier-Voracek
Laughton-Raffl-Read
Bellemare-Brodziak-White
That's a big improvement from last season. Would be great if Konecny makes the team as well.
Appleyard
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Yeh, in an ideal world where Hextall thinks the Flyers can go and get a cup v.soon I think we go out and get:
#3C: Nielsen/Backes (~$4.5m)
#4C: Brodziak/Gordon/Fiddler (~$1m-1.5m)
through UFA on deals not more than say 2 years each... or trade for guys like Eakin & Kruger who can be more long term options.
but Nielsen & Backes are likely going to cost more like $5m+ and will want say ~3-4 year deals.
But that would mean we were right up against the cap and our flexibility to re-sign Ghost, Laughton, Stolarz, Leier & Mason (plus maybe MDZ) for 2017-18 would be compromised heavily... even with Streit & Schultz coming off the books.
RonHextall27
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I'm happy that Hextall does not have an itchy trigger finger, or that there isn't the endless line of leaked trade/signing rumours. Makes it all that much more sweet when he pulls off a good deal.
Is there any point in grabbing a decent ufa just to dangle for the expansion draft? I would rather not lose one of our homegrown assets.
Is there any point in grabbing a decent ufa just to dangle for the expansion draft? I would rather not lose one of our homegrown assets.
He Is Knocking
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This! I'd hate to see Kane in a Flyers uniform.invite cancer into the locker room ??
onlylordsvsmorebp
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that is a really big improvement...would be great if Konecny would replace Read.
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I would still try and see if Bozak could be had for 2nd +Read
Both he and Read have 2 year deals, so the cap increase is by 600,000. And because it's 2 years, it bridges the gap to where Rubstov could be ready by then.
And if we got lucky with Konecny making the team:
Laughton Bozak Konecny is a 3rd line that can provide additional offense to help our top 6.
Both he and Read have 2 year deals, so the cap increase is by 600,000. And because it's 2 years, it bridges the gap to where Rubstov could be ready by then.
And if we got lucky with Konecny making the team:
Laughton Bozak Konecny is a 3rd line that can provide additional offense to help our top 6.
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I'm happy to see that you seem to have the same feelings about Kruger that I do - I think he can be WAY more effective than his stats would suggest, and I am not bothered by that contract, either in term or length. One of the collateral benefits of adding him - I think - would be to relieve Couts of at least some of his defensive wear and tear, which could (maybe should), 1) help him stay healthy, and 2) help his offensive production. I'd really like to see us pull the trigger on this one.
BringBackHakstol
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If Hexy isn't looking to make a big splash on July 1st (I'd love to grab Lucic) Does Hextall offer Vanek a 1 yr deal at 1.5? Would EDM do Read for Yak? Either way Hexy is gonna have to pick up some quality guys on July 1st unless Konecny is a lock to make the team.
Raffl - G - Voracek
Vanek - Couts - Simmer
Schenn - Laughton - Yakupov
Bellemare - White - Cousins
VV
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Raffl - G - Voracek
Vanek - Couts - Simmer
Schenn - Laughton - Yakupov
Bellemare - White - Cousins
VV
??????
Appleyard
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I think looking at the team going forward the most I would do in FA is spend ~$3.5-$4m tops on 2 year deals ideally, pushing to 3 if the right player... the breakdown would probably be either:
~$3.5m-4m on a good middle sixer/top end 3rd liner.
or
~$2m on a decent bottom sixer & ~$1.5m on a good 4th liner.
Which corresponds to, looking at upcoming UFA's, probably:
Helm/Brouwer/Stempniak/McGinn
or
Grabner/Chimera/Martin & Brodziak/Gordon/Fiddler
Mostly stop-gaps really to help team compete over next ~2 years and ease in younger players. But either way the team would be better without impacting the cap much or causing problems.
~$3.5m-4m on a good middle sixer/top end 3rd liner.
or
~$2m on a decent bottom sixer & ~$1.5m on a good 4th liner.
Which corresponds to, looking at upcoming UFA's, probably:
Helm/Brouwer/Stempniak/McGinn
or
Grabner/Chimera/Martin & Brodziak/Gordon/Fiddler
Mostly stop-gaps really to help team compete over next ~2 years and ease in younger players. But either way the team would be better without impacting the cap much or causing problems.
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I don't think he "has" to do anything, to be honest. Conventional wisdom would suggest that since we made the playoffs this season, there would be pressure to make it next season, but I think we are blessed to have a fanbase which by and large understands and appreciates the long-term vision that Hexy has for the team. If we have to spin our wheels for one more season as we wait on our prospects, in the interests of protecting ourselves from cap-based problems moving forward, I think most people will be along for the ride. (That does not include the community of brain-dead mungbeasts which makes Twitter such a toxic cesspool.) I hope so, anyway.
deadhead
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That's about right, and I can see a combination of UDFA and trade to add depth to the bottom six and fix the imbalance on defense. I'd be shocked if Hextall does anything major, because by 2017-18:
Schenn - Giroux - Simmons
Konecny - Couts - Voracek
Laughton - Raffl - AK
Lindblom - Fazleev - Leier
Ghoul, Cousins
So one or two bottom six guys would flesh this out nicely without having to break the bank.
MDZ - Gudas
Morin - Ghost (this makes obvious sense, protection)
Sanheim - Provorov (I suspect he's the best bet to move to the right side)
Now if you can package MDZ to get a RHD that would be optimal, but this ain't a bad group!
Schenn - Giroux - Simmons
Konecny - Couts - Voracek
Laughton - Raffl - AK
Lindblom - Fazleev - Leier
Ghoul, Cousins
So one or two bottom six guys would flesh this out nicely without having to break the bank.
MDZ - Gudas
Morin - Ghost (this makes obvious sense, protection)
Sanheim - Provorov (I suspect he's the best bet to move to the right side)
Now if you can package MDZ to get a RHD that would be optimal, but this ain't a bad group!
deadhead
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That's totally true. And thanks for the breakdown Appleyard. I also totally forgot about Grabner being a UFA. That's a guy with speed to burn and can add to the PK. With the contracts we have now (RFA's included) and saying Konecny makes the team out of camp and we let Weal walk... we have 13 forwards. The next call ups wil be guys like Leier, C,.MacDonald, Bardeau, Goulbourn.
On the bright side... only 2 more years of Read's cap hit. I like him, but would like him more if he resigned for 1M per and play on our 4th line.
