Proposal: Henrik Lundqvist to any team needing stronger goaltending

[Liferleafer]

League Average SV%/GAA

19-20 (Georgiev) .908/2.85
16-17 (Raanta) - .913/2.59
14-15 (Jones and Talbot) - .915/2.52
12-13 (Bernier) - .912/2.54

Teams score on a higher percentage of their shots now and thus more per game so any basic save percentage or GA analysis is obviously flawed. This also doesn't consider the quality of shots faced.

You will need to explain what this means, because i am missing it.

Going by Hockeydb
12-13 Bernier-..922/1.88
16-17 Raanta-.922/2,27
14-15 Jones-.906/2.25
19-20 Georgiev-.910/3.11

not sure what you are getting at here.

and ya, i don't have a stat for quality of shots...

 

[Jerkbait]

2014 says hi

What happened in 2014?? No cup?? You mean when rangers got destroyed in 5 games? Only one vezina ... good goalie but New York needs him to stay

 

[SherVaughn30]

Would Lundqvist waive his NMC, 50% salary retained for Holtby? He would have a shot at winning a Cup and he can mentor Samsonov and then retire a Ranger after next season. Or maybe the Caps/Rangers could have a gentleman's agreement to trade back Lundqvist after this season. I know it sounds a bit crazy, but it could be a win/win for both teams. Maybe another player would have to be involved or a mid prospect.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

What happened in 2014?? No cup?? You mean when rangers got destroyed in 5 games? Only one vezina ... good goalie but New York needs him to stay

So 3 wins away isn't "close to winning a cup?" Sure buddy

 

[SA16]

You will need to explain what this means, because i am missing it.

Going by Hockeydb
12-13 Bernier-..922/1.88
16-17 Raanta-.922/2,27
14-15 Jones-.906/2.25
19-20 Georgiev-.910/3.11

not sure what you are getting at here.

and ya, i don't have a stat for quality of shots...

The league average save percentage and league average goals against average in those players last years before moving to a new team. a .912 now is not equivalent to .912 then it is much better.

 

[Liferleafer]

The league average save percentage and league average goals against average in those players last years before moving to a new team. a .912 now is not equivalent to .912 then it is much better.

Not sure i agree. Save percentage is calculated the same way now as it was then. Divide the number of saves by the total number of shots on goal. So the player with the higher sv% stopped more of the shots he faced. Are the shots for some reason tougher now? Hard to gauge that...

If Rangers fans are content on calling hi a starter, then how about this...there are 43 goalies that have started a minimum of 23 game...21 of them have an equal or better sv% than Geo, which pretty much makes him middle of the pack...or average.

again, not bashing the kid, i just don't get the 'above average" tag people are putting on him. I mean he may end up an outstanding starter...but right now, he's another Bernier/Talbot/Jones risk.

 

[Section32]

Not sure i agree. Save percentage is calculated the same way now as it was then. Divide the number of saves by the total number of shots on goal. So the player with the higher sv% stopped more of the shots he faced. Are the shots for some reason tougher now? Hard to gauge that...

If Rangers fans are content on calling hi a starter, then how about this...there are 43 goalies that have started a minimum of 23 game...21 of them have an equal or better sv% than Geo, which pretty much makes him middle of the pack...or average.

again, not bashing the kid, i just don't get the 'above average" tag people are putting on him. I mean he may end up an outstanding starter...but right now, he's another Bernier/Talbot/Jones risk.

It really is the case where you have to trust the fan base that watch the player daily.

He has been in 2-3 blowouts where nothing went right- so his numbers were affected a bit.

The youth on Rangers is very evident in d-zone. They had 3 rookies on back line for a good stretch.

The team consistently leaves the goalies having to make ridiculous saves. AG has looked brilliant on a number of occasions, which left fans with the belief that he can be a very good starting goalie in the NHL.

 

[Jerkbait]

So 3 wins away isn't "close to winning a cup?" Sure buddy

Correct close would be game 6 or 7...he never touched the cup. Couldnt get job done when it mattered. Still a hall of fame goalie but never a cup champion. Point is best place for him is NYR

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It really is the case where you have to trust the fan base that watch the player daily.

He has been in 2-3 blowouts where nothing went right- so his numbers were affected a bit.

The youth on Rangers is very evident in d-zone. They had 3 rookies on back line for a good stretch.

The team consistently leaves the goalies having to make ridiculous saves. AG has looked brilliant on a number of occasions, which left fans with the belief that he can be a very good starting goalie in the NHL.

You should also take into account that some of us don't think he's any better than an average goaltender. Something I think you leave out is that he's had a lot of games where he can't stop a beach-ball, and gives the team no chance to win. His performances have a lot of extremes. It's often a great performance or a terrible performance. I think many ignore his bad performances and blame the defense for those.

 

[biotk]

Not sure i agree. Save percentage is calculated the same way now as it was then. Divide the number of saves by the total number of shots on goal. So the player with the higher sv% stopped more of the shots he faced. Are the shots for some reason tougher now? Hard to gauge that...

The NHL implemented rule changes to restrict goalie equipment and increase goal scoring, so yes saves are tougher now (which was the entire purpose) and it is not hard to gauge.

 

[Liferleafer]

The NHL implemented rule changes to restrict goalie equipment and increase goal scoring, so yes saves are tougher now (which was the entire purpose) and it is not hard to gauge.

Ok, and he's still middle of the pack.. not "above average". Again, the kud could end up being great, or he could remain "average" which is fine, but i just don't get the high trade value on him.

And i get folks will think i have an agenda, i don't.....just curious as to the hype.

 

[biotk]

Ok, and he's still middle of the pack.. not "above average". Again, the kud could end up being great, or he could remain "average" which is fine, but i just don't get the high trade value on him.

And i get folks will think i have an agenda, i don't.....just curious as to the hype.

I am just commenting about the change in sv%. He is above average in terms of sv%. Personally I think that sv% is way over-valued (not all shots are the same in terms of difficulty or workload - in fact they are extremely different), so I don't care - I look at GSAA and also comparing GA to xGA and looking at Georgiev over the last two seasons I consider him to be above average for the former (23rd out of 69 goalies to have played over 1000 minutes over the past two years - Hutch is dead last) and well above league average for the latter (8th out of 69, ahead of Freddie and Hutch is, of course, dead last).

What that means for his value, I don't know, or really care. If I were the Rangers I would buy out Lund this summer and keep both their young guys.

 

[Liferleafer]

I am just commenting about the change in sv%. He is above average in terms of sv%. Personally I think that sv% is way over-valued (not all shots are the same in terms of difficulty or workload - in fact they are extremely different), so I don't care - I look at GSAA and also comparing GA to xGA and looking at Georgiev over the last two seasons I consider him to be above average for the former (23rd out of 69 goalies to have played over 1000 minutes over the past two years - Hutch is dead last) and well above league average for the latter (8th out of 69, ahead of Freddie and Hutch is, of course, dead last).

What that means for his value, I don't know, or really care. If I were the Rangers I would buy out Lund this summer and keep both their young guys.

Can't argue that. With where the Rangers are, keeping Geo and Igor going forward is the perfect idea.

 

[Wingsfan 4 life]

Pretty sure he prefers his fashionista lifestyle over cups. So, unless Paris or Milan get an NHL team, the chances of him waiving is nil.

 

[Jerkbait]

It really is the case where you have to trust the fan base that watch the player daily.

He has been in 2-3 blowouts where nothing went right- so his numbers were affected a bit.

The youth on Rangers is very evident in d-zone. They had 3 rookies on back line for a good stretch.

The team consistently leaves the goalies having to make ridiculous saves. AG has looked brilliant on a number of occasions, which left fans with the belief that he can be a very good starting goalie in the NHL.

Yes like usually against the penguins when they would chase him....like when did bounced it in off his head !

 

[Little Psycho]

He’s not going anywhere. He loves NY and cares about more than hockey. He’s 38 and signed to a deal nobody wants. Lock it up

Ding ding ding. He would have asked for a trade a long time ago if he wanted a chance at the cup. He's content in NY

 

[Patagonia]

Doubt he'll get much of a return due to age, NMC and huge salary. He might have a negative value, NYR just keeps him. Doubt he waives and he loves the team and city.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I absolutely love that you guys are still not over Marty Brodeur. Rent free.

Just wished the Devils paid him enough to not have to do those cheesy family Enterprise commercials. Guess Enterprise does a Subway level of spokesperson due diligence