Value of: Hawks trading down from #2 to at worst the #7

[JRichard]

Habs would probably put the Jets 1st round (24th to 27th overall) and/or one of our many expendable young D's on the table to go up 3 spots.

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.

Id imagine 1 of Demidov/Lindstrom are there at 4, Columbus should just pick whoever it is and not give up assets to move up

CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

 

[stevo61]

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.


CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

Columbus could go either way but there is a Lindstrom sized hole in the forward group. Stand pat and make the pick

 

[Andrewcoursol]

With all the guys from 2 to 6 or so grouped together, I don’t see the value for those teams to pay to move up.

exactly, Habs grab who they feel is the best player regardless of position at 5th overall, possibly deal the jets pick with other picks and prospects, Guhle staying put..

 

[Ford Prefect]

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.


CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

Yes, that's true. But the OP also used the adjective "expendable" which narrows down who he'd be suggesting.

 

[TT1]

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.


CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

Hughes has said many times that if there's 2 equivalent players they'd opt for need (so forward before D for example), if not they'd still take the higher quality player regardless of position.

Hughes says dmen carry very high asset value so he could easily pick 1 as well, it'll depend on how good our scouts think the Dmen are relative to the forwards. You can always make trades later. Drafting the best player is hard enough, no need to overcomplicate things more by passing up on players purely for need.

Habs aren't that deep at RD so Levshunov/Parekh is a real possibility, Silayev/Buium/Dickinson are also great prospects but because we're so deep at LD they would need to be ranked very high on their list.

Who knows tho, teams could have a guy like Buium easily at #2, not a lot of dmen have done what he's done this season. Not only was he great offensively but he also helped shut down a super stacked Boston College team, played great at the U20s as an underager too (and the US rarely pick underagers for that team, let alone Dmen).

 

[Dan Kelly]

Hawks have glut of young D as well in our system including multiple 1st round picks in pipeline

If the Hawks can get an extra pick out of the deal then why not consider trading down a few spots? Some eye watering talent can still be available at #5 like Catton, Silayev, Parakh, Buium, Eiserman and the like, plus they'd get extra assets! Personally I'd just take the top ranked scoring winger Demidov to play along side Bedard !

 

[Prairie Habs]

Think Anaheim is fine staying pat at 3.

Everything else being equal do you think they'd lean forward or D?

 

[pth2]

It’s enough for a lot of the fans including me in this draft but as the poster above you said, davidson was elated to have #2 so he must have his eye on someone at 2. I don’t think we are moving down and I think that means Demidov. Hawks could use an elite winger badly in the system. I kind of prefer a RHD and there are a couple available at 5 I consider nearly equal.

All GMs will say they're elated at where they are picking, if SJ had gone down to #3 we'd be hearing them saying there will be some amazing talents at #3 overall, while softly crying inside.

 

[HanSolo]

Everything else being equal do you think they'd lean forward or D?

I think Anaheim fans collectively agree they'll go D, but I'm not ruling out Madden and Verbeek being interested in Demidov if he's available. I think a defenseman is more likely.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Habs 5th overall + Jets 1st round pick + Trudeau/Rohrer for 2nd overall.

If thats not enough, replace the prospect with Jordan Harris.

Habs draft Demidov with that pick.

 

[stempniaksen]

I don't think it's Staois' MO, but personally I'd at least explore the idea of #7 + BOS 1st + (?) for the pick to take Demidov/Levshunov.

Senators will probably be happy to take one of Silayev, Parekh, Buium or Dickinson and keep the Bruins 1st to re-stock their empty cupboards, but there's no denying that Demidov and Levshunov are extremely intriguing prospects and the Sens scouts could have them a tier ahead.

 

[CanadienShark]

Habs offer #5 and Wpg #1



That offer wouldn’t come close to getting it done.

They literally made the same offer as you AND added. The trade they proposed was

#5 + Winnipeg's 1st + D prospect.

 

[CanadienShark]

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.


CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

Reinbacher, Hutson, and Mailloux aren't expendable. The 1st group is the ones that would be considered, not the 2nd.

 

[TBF1972]

MTL might go hard for it if #2 really is available and if Hughes/his scouts think theres a big separation between Demidov and the #3 forward in the draft

prob a pick package like #5 + Jets 1st + prospect/young player

you might not even get the #3 forward at your current pick.

 

[jellybeans]

If Hawks were more interested in a guy who will be available at #5

Habs 1st + Jets 1st + RW Filip Mesar maybe?

Hawks would pick #5, #20 and wherever Jets pick ultimately ends up in this draft and add a quality RW prospect

That would be an easy yes from the habs call your gm and get it done.

 

[HFpapi]

I thought Demidov had emerged as a pretty consensus #2 pick and if anything was pushing to compete with Macklin for #1 more-so than competing with anyone for #3-7.

Hawks should even kick the tires and see if San Jose like Demidov enough to move up and pair Celebrini with Bedard rather than to move down.

 

[Grinner]

I thought Demidov had emerged as a pretty consensus #2 pick and if anything was pushing to compete with Macklin for #1 more-so than competing with anyone for #3-7.

Hawks should even kick the tires and see if San Jose like Demidov enough to move up and pair Celebrini with Bedard rather than to move down.

Forget about it.

 

[HFpapi]

Forget about it.

Guessing you're a Sharks fan?

Don't blame you for not wanting to move off Celebrini but I've read some opinions that Demidov could be just as good. I watched his highlight video too and he's smooth as silk.

If Hawks were willing to give up a nice piece (Nazar)? + #2 it wouldn't make you think?

 

[Grinner]

Guessing you're a Sharks fan?

Don't blame you for not wanting to move off Celebrini but I've read some opinions that Demidov could be just as good. I watched his highlight video too and he's smooth as silk.

If Hawks were willing to give up a nice piece (Nazar)? + #2 it wouldn't make you think?

Yes, I'm a Sharks fan. No it wouldn't.
Celebrini fixes the largest hole the Sharks have had since before the decline of Joe Thornton. A #1 center.
Further more, it's the 1st time in franchise history the Sharks have had the #1 overall pick.
Finally, it gives the fans something to make them want to come back to the Tank to watch the Sharks play.

If Demidov is indeed that highly rated, then let Chicago take him and pair him with Bedard

 

[Baksfamous112]

If Hawks were more interested in a guy who will be available at #5

Habs 1st + Jets 1st + RW Filip Mesar maybe?

Hawks would pick #5, #20 and wherever Jets pick ultimately ends up in this draft and add a quality RW prospect

That’s too much of a ask for Montreal. Demidov is good but he’s not THAT good

Not sure the hawks move the second for that return unless they know their guy would make it to 5.

It’s always the same issues and the reason why teams don’t move down. Just pick your guy and be done with it.

Talking Harris-Struble-Barron level or Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level?
Cause they are not the same.


CBJ could trade down to 6 and still get their dman if thats their choice instead of lets say Lindstrom. Mtl at 5 is not picking a dman imo.

Why would Montreal add a Reinbacher-Hutson-Mailloux level prospect to 5OA just to draft a slightly better prospect? That doesn’t make any sense. If they have their eyes on someone else other than Demidov then chances are that guy is available at 5 anyway.

 

[slybel]

Wait... so, we ain't getting Igy? ...

I dont see us trading up to #2.

 

[Chainshot]

Not sure I see anybody going nuts to move up especially if everyone else after Macklin is grouped together

Agreed. The same reason the hypothetical because of a lack of consensus about that second or third tier as in the OP: nobody’s gonna be all that keen to move up when they can sit tight and probably get one of their top choices without burning other assets and taking that risk.

 

[bleedgreen]

Over the years I don’t think it’s been that expensive to move around in this area, and this draft doesn’t seem to carry a ton of value as there’s not a ton of consensus about who goes where. I don’t think the reward is going to be impressive enough to move if you like a certain guy. I could see it being as cheap as a second round pick to move within that cluster. There’s not a lot of examples of it being very expensive.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Over the years I don’t think it’s been that expensive to move around in this area, and this draft doesn’t seem to carry a ton of value as there’s not a ton of consensus about who goes where. I don’t think the reward is going to be impressive enough to move if you like a certain guy. I could see it being as cheap as a second round pick to move within that cluster. There’s not a lot of examples of it being very expensive.

Not many examples to begin with

 

[JRichard]

Over the years I don’t think it’s been that expensive to move around in this area, and this draft doesn’t seem to carry a ton of value as there’s not a ton of consensus about who goes where. I don’t think the reward is going to be impressive enough to move if you like a certain guy. I could see it being as cheap as a second round pick to move within that cluster. There’s not a lot of examples of it being very expensive.

There is a whole lot of consensus this year. You wont see a Simashev at 6. Top 3 forwards and top 5 d are pretty much same according to Mckenzie. If you want to secure a top 5 forward, you need to be 3rd or 4th.