Post-Game Talk: Hawks stop Canucks winning streak at 2

[Johnny Canucker]

Bo has really disappointed this year. Sophomore slump is real.

Gonna wait till next year to see if he figures it out.

Yeah starting to look like last year was the anomaly, not this year.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

We are lucky Demko looks like a complete stud.

We will trade him for Horvat 2.0

 

[MISC*]

Yeah. Blow doesn't look to good.

 

[mathonwy]

Canucks have to show canny business sense and read the situation for what it is.

Canucks should begin looking at assets to see where they can make changes. The AHL players should be cycled through and assessed. Then, at the trade deadline sell off players that do not figure in the 2016 season.

This Summer build toward a new model and re-emerge as a different team next season. To accomplish that, they need to be working toward it right away. They will need to do some painful things, like buyouts and bridge burning trades. Friendships must be put aside and the team needs to be all business.

It's gonna take some smart people to try to un**** this cluster.

Or hell of a lot of luck.

 

[vancityluongo]

When people inevitably start negative chants at games, can they at least chant 'Fire Aquillini, preferably out of a cannon into the sun' instead 'Fire WD', or 'Fire Benning'.

I don't think enough people will be going to games by the time the casual population has realized how ****** the team is.

Aquilini might just leave himself hahah.

 

[Pip]

y2khockey's got a beef with the Sedins.

Linden's got a beef with Miller.

It's just a thing thing.

I don't think the two situations are comparable, although I will admit that my comment was unfair tonight as Miller seemed okay.

 

[VanJack]

It's gonna take some smart people to try to un**** this cluster.

Or hell of a lot of luck.

Really this tire-fire belongs more to the GM than the coach imo....can't recall a thinner Canuck roster in recent memory....and that blueline....it was bad before even Sbisa and Hamhuis went down....now it's farcical.....I can't understand why they're not using Pedan instead of Weber....could he be any worse?....this blueline was totally exposed in the Flames series a year ago, and for reasons best known to Benning and Linden, they brought them all back....oh well, by the time mid-January rolls around this team will be firmly ensconced in lottery-land...let the sell-off begin.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Really this tire-fire belongs more to the GM than the coach imo....can't recall a thinner Canuck roster in recent memory....and that blueline....it was bad before even Sbisa and Hamhuis went down....now it's farcical.....I can't understand why they're not using Pedan instead of Weber....could he be any worse?....this blueline was totally exposed in the Flames series a year ago, and for reasons best known to Benning and Linden, they brought them all back....oh well, by the time mid-January rolls around this team will be firmly ensconced in lottery-land...let the sell-off begin.

The problem is, I am not sure management is capable enough to even trade pieces off and get picks. I have 0 confidence in this group of management. When with a top 3 pick we would somehow screw it up or trade it for Sbisa 2.0. Trading 1 vet isn't going to do it. Unless we can move 3-4 of Hamhuis, Higgins, Vrbata, Burrows, Edler then it's a fail. Also the return on all of the above (except Edler) will be minimal.

Edler - late first / early second
Hamhuis / Vrbata - 2nds
Higgins/Burrows - 3rds (maybe 4th for Higgins)

 

[me2]

I'm fine with Weber as a 7D or a 6D in case of injury.

I'm not fine with Weber getting spoon fed PP time because he's a RHS and actively causing SH chances.

There's a reason Montreal played him mostly as a 4th liner over a D. I'd be fine with him in that role but obviously that's not going to happen.

Take that up with the dolt that made him the #4D and the other dolt that plays him 20 mins a night. Seriously have to wonder what goes through the head of GM that sees him expecting to go better in the playoffs and icing Weber as his #4..........

 

[tantalum]

it is how the kings got doughty. The canucks came into the season with little depth. since things have gone wrong with injuries, the bottom has fallen out.

I would say "gone wrong with injuries" is "gone as expected for any NHL team with injuries". The bottom fell out but it was well on its way to falling out when healthy.

But I digress...thought it was not a great effort by the club despite the hometown channel praise they were getting after 2 periods. Seemed the ice was tilted very much in the Hawks favor for good scoring chances all night long. A lot of missed nets by the Hawks who showed Canuck finish through two.

Horvat....struggling but also getting so many defensive zone starts this year. They supposedly acquired Sutter for that job but that's the role Horvat gas had all year. They are treating him like a 400 game vet rather than a sophomore who should be expected to carry any part of a team.

Miller...not the problem on the night. Then again we shouldn't have to talk about whether the 6 million dollar starter was a problem after every games.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

I hope he develops into a very good 2nd line center. If he develops into a third liner it will suck big time.

This is a huge learning year for Horvat, but from what I've seen of him, he has the skill and hockey IQ to come out of this a better player. Maybe he'll "only" top out as an elite 3rd liner like Malhotra. If so, I'd be grudgingly okay with that.

Schneider would be wasted on this team, though. He'd be spending his prime years raising us just enough to weasel into the playoffs and get buried in the first round. In 5 years time (which is how long it will take before this team is good again, IMHO), he'll be on the downslide, and hopefully, Horvat will be at the top of his game.

Now, if you want to argue that we should have drafted Nichushkin instead, well...

 

[Index]

I don't think the two situations are comparable, although I will admit that my comment was unfair tonight as Miller seemed okay.

Cheer for your Canucks but accept losing gracefully and with enthusiasm because it's going to pay off down the road.

Best reconciliation I can offer to you.

 

[Goon42]

The problem is, I am not sure management is capable enough to even trade pieces off and get picks. I have 0 confidence in this group of management. When with a top 3 pick we would somehow screw it up or trade it for Sbisa 2.0. Trading 1 vet isn't going to do it. Unless we can move 3-4 of Hamhuis, Higgins, Vrbata, Burrows, Edler then it's a fail. Also the return on all of the above (except Edler) will be minimal.

Edler - late first / early second
Hamhuis / Vrbata - 2nds
Higgins/Burrows - 3rds (maybe 4th for Higgins)

Benning got a 2nd for bieksa and you think edler might go for a 2nd?

Drevilriiiiiiiight.jpeg

 

[Tinhorn1]

Yeah starting to look like last year was the anomaly, not this year.

Do you know what anomaly means? Horvat had played in two NHL seasons, which is not enough time to declare either one anomalous. You make it sound like Horvat has had five bad years and one good one. He's been so-so for about a third of one season. So what?

 

[Hit the post]

Do you know what anomaly means? Horvat had played in two NHL seasons, which is not enough time to declare either one anomalous. You make it sound like Horvat has had five bad years and one good one. He's been so-so for about a third of one season. So what?

Pretty much; players don't develop in a straight line (up).

 

[thepuckmonster]

Pretty much; players don't develop in a straight line (up).

I think the best way to summarize this thought is to say that development is not linear.

 

[Huggy]

I really blame the coach for Horvat's slump.

When you have the worst coach in the league you have to think a 20 year old player playing as a 2c against the top QoC, with the top face off% on team, playing on a line with Benning's pet project Baertschi.

If Horvat had 5/6 more points no one would blink.

Frustrating to go 20 games without a goal, but Burrows and Higgins are about 26 years older than Horvat, I think the blame lies with them

 

[Proto]

Luongo used to be a franchise goalie. Sure wasn't when we traded him. And we did get our current backup for him. Oh and got away from that contract too.

He has a .922 SV% and a .938 at 5v5 this year. He's still a top 7-8 goalie in the NHL.

Edit: also, the longer he played for the Canucks, the less likely they were to be penalized for his contract. Not that they ever will be, mind you. He'll stop playing with an injury and go on LTIR at some point...

 

[y2kcanucks]

Usually people say no cause they don't want to see Sedins in Leafs jersey. Guess not a problem for you.

Nope. I prefer a team that has a future and can eventually be a contender. I value winning a Stanley Cup over not wanting to see the Sedins in a Leafs jersey.

 

[Pip]

Cheer for your Canucks but accept losing gracefully and with enthusiasm because it's going to pay off down the road.

Best reconciliation I can offer to you.

How about I cheer for the team and the players that are helping this team. I can't cheer on players that are actively hurting this team. I also don't have any faith in a rebuild with dumbo running it.

 

[fancouver]

Luongo would have at least made this team interesting even if we were losing. The interviews would be quote-worthy.

But as for the game, this is the Chicago dynasty. 4-0 seems like a fitting score.

 

[coldsteel79]

He has a .922 SV% and a .938 at 5v5 this year. He's still a top 7-8 goalie in the NHL.

Edit: also, the longer he played for the Canucks, the less likely they were to be penalized for his contract. Not that they ever will be, mind you. He'll stop playing with an injury and go on LTIR at some point...

If he goes on ltir are the Canucks on the hook for their portion of the salary?

 

[opendoor]

Edit: also, the longer he played for the Canucks, the less likely they were to be penalized for his contract. Not that they ever will be, mind you. He'll stop playing with an injury and go on LTIR at some point...

I don't see why the Panthers would want to go down that road. They'd have to pay him cash to sit on the sideline (contracts of that length aren't insured), whereas if he retired early they'd get dead cap space which would allow them to hit the floor without spending any money.

The only way I see that happening is if he's legitimately injured and forced to retire.

 

[Proto]

I don't see why the Panthers would want to go down that road. They'd have to pay him cash to sit on the sideline (contracts of that length aren't insured), whereas if he retired early they'd get dead cap space which would allow them to hit the floor without spending any money.

The only way I see that happening is if he's legitimately injured and forced to retire.

/sadface

 

[CanaFan]

He has a .922 SV% and a .938 at 5v5 this year. He's still a top 7-8 goalie in the NHL.

Edit: also, the longer he played for the Canucks, the less likely they were to be penalized for his contract. Not that they ever will be, mind you. He'll stop playing with an injury and go on LTIR at some point...

That may be but I guess I have a stricter expectation for a "franchise" player. Being at the top rather than near the top for one.

Anyway it's not my intention to run Luongo down, he was a great player in his time here. For a variety of reasons his time was nearing an end and I don't bemoan the loss.