Speculation: Hawks Skater Logjam

[Kaners Bald Spot]

right now they have 21 spots for skaters and multiple players pushing at the door. Assuming Perlini signs, these are the locks:
Forwards:
Toews, Kane, DeBrincat, Strome, Saad, Shaw, Caggiula, Carpenter(8)


Bubble players:
Dach, Kurashev, Perlini, Kubalik, Nylander, Smith, Kampf, Aleksi Saarela, Sikura

Players who aren't waiver exempt: Perlini, Smith, (Kampf???)

D:
Locks: Keith, Gustafsson, Murphy, de Haan, Maatta, Seabrook (6)

Bubble: Boqvist, Gilbert, Dahlstrom, Koekkoek, Krys

Players who aren't waiver exempt: Koekkoek, Dahlstrom.

What do they do with these spots? I put Smith on the bubble because he's already cleared waivers once.

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[hawksrule]

Is carpenter really a lock?

 

[RayP]

Is carpenter really a lock?

Absolutely IMO.

The guys who he is competing with don’t really bring the same type of game as he does. The main competition is the round out the top 9. I think the 4th is actually pretty set with Smith, Carpenter, and Kampf.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Absolutely IMO.

The guys who he is competing with don’t really bring the same type of game as he does. The main competition is the round out the top 9. I think the 4th is actually pretty set with Smith, Carpenter, and Kampf.

Kampf might be the odd man out. Don't forget about Caggiula.

Does anyone else think it is likely that Dahlstrom and Koekkoek get waived? I don't think that either are that much of a loss if claimed.

These are the battles:
T6 Wingers: Nylander, Kubalik, Perlini, Aleksi Saarela

3C: Shaw, Caggiula, Smith, Kampf, Dach, Kurashev

7th D: Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Gilbert

Complete bubble: Sikura

Wild Card: Boqvist

 

[migi]

Kämpf is a lock. No questions ask.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Kämpf is a lock. No questions ask.

Not completely sure. He's on a 2 way deal and Smith has a 3.2M caphit. It depends on if they want to carry all three of Nylander, Perlini and Kubalik.

 

[RayP]

Kampf might be the odd man out. Don't forget about Caggiula.

Does anyone else think it is likely that Dahlstrom and Koekkoek get waived? I don't think that either are that much of a loss if claimed.

These are the battles:
T6 Wingers: Nylander, Kubalik, Perlini, Aleksi Saarela

3C: Shaw, Caggiula, Smith, Kampf, Dach, Kurashev

7th D: Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Gilbert

Complete bubble: Sikura

Wild Card: Boqvist

I think Caggiula is a passenger on the first line with Toews and Kane.

I think Perlini is the odd man out and if they really wanted him locked up that badly he’d have been signed by now.

The last spot IMO is a battle between Nylander and Kubalik for a shot on the second line with Cat and Strome.

This is all with the assumption that Dach at least gets a 9 game trial and is on a 3rd line with Shaw and Saad.

 

[migi]

Not completely sure. He's on a 2 way deal and Smith has a 3.2M caphit. It depends on if they want to carry all three of Nylander, Perlini and Kubalik.

You know there are 14 forward spots open for the team right? They won’t play all of the games. They will rotate.

Perlini will be a one of the guys who is going to rotate a lot at this point. He is far away from the lock. Imo further than Nylander or even Dach.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I don't think it's much of a logjam at all. Let those guys fight for the 3-4 spots available and may the best man win. Also, of your list of "bubble players", i'm really only intrigued by Dach, Kubalik, and Kurashev. The rest of them have done absolutely nothing to warrant worrying about them getting a roster spot.

Let training camp unfold and go from there.

 

[BobbyJet]

Kampf might be the odd man out. Don't forget about Caggiula.

Does anyone else think it is likely that Dahlstrom and Koekkoek get waived? I don't think that either are that much of a loss if claimed.

These are the battles:
T6 Wingers: Nylander, Kubalik, Perlini, Aleksi Saarela

3C: Shaw, Caggiula, Smith, Kampf, Dach, Kurashev

7th D: Koekkoek, Dahlstrom, Gilbert

Complete bubble: Sikura

Wild Card: Boqvist

Yeah, if Kampf doesn't show a nose for the net he could very well be the odd man out. This team does not need another Kruger.

 

[RayP]

Yeah, if Kampf doesn't show a nose for the net he could very well be the odd man out. This team does not need another Kruger.

This team absolutely needs a prime Kruger. They can easily run 3 lines that can score with two of those at an elite level.

If they can have a dominant 4th line and elite PKer in Kampf at the expense of little offense from him, that’s huge.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Our GAA says another Kruger type player is exactly what this team needs

 

[BobbyJet]

Our GAA says another Kruger type player is exactly what this team needs

LOL ... right on queue.

 

[x Tame Impala]

LOL ... right on queue.

I don't know why it's always been so difficult for you to acknowledge the crystal clear benefits Kruger gave to this team from 2013 to 2015. He was excellent in his role and made Q's line deployments possible.

How can you say we don't need that on this team?

 

[RayP]

LOL ... right on queue.

In his prime was Kruger not an elite PKer and defensive specialist?

 

[featherhawk]

the following 11 forwards are a lock for this team IMO

Toews
Kane
Shaw
Cat
Strome
Saad
Cagguila
Kampf
Kubalik
Smith
Carpenter

that leaves three spots for the likes of Nylander, Perlini (if signed), Dach, Kurashev, Highmore, Saarela, Sikura and to be honest I really do think Nylander will be with that group above so it all likely boils down to two open roster spots IMO

 

[piteus]

These are the certains ...

Toews, Kane, Cat, Strome, Shaw, Saad, Keith, Murphy, Seabrook (because of contract), Gus, and Lehner.

Everyone else is a question mark due to lack of experience/past performance/injuries. de Haan, Crow, and Maatta have health issues.

This is how it should be for a team that missed 2 straight playoffs.

I realize other players can't be sent down without being waived ... but it doesn't mean they'll get a lot of ice time. There's a lot of playing ice time to be earned.

 

[clydesdale line]

Colliton thinks very, very highly of Kampf. If it were up to him, he'd be on the 3rd line. He's as close to a lock as it gets IMO.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Colliton thinks very, very highly of Kampf. If it were up to him, he'd be on the 3rd line. He's as close to a lock as it gets IMO.

Ok, then. That settles it:
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I'm with those that think that Nylander is as close to a lock as you can be without actually being a lock. He'd have to really stink up the joint in camp in order to end up in Rockford.

 

[clydesdale line]

Ok, then. That settles it:
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I said IF it were up to him cause he believes in his offensive ability. He will still likely be on the 4th line. I still believe Dach will make this team as the 3C (at the very worst, get his 9 games).

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Kruger was arguably the most important depth piece in 2015. He shut down some premier lines that year.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I said IF it were up to him cause he believes in his offensive ability. He will still likely be on the 4th line. I still believe Dach will make this team as the 3C (at the very worst, get his 9 games).

They kinda have to trade Perlini then. I still think they could get at least a 2nd if not a 2nd and 3rd for Perlini. He's not that much worse than Burakovsky.

 

[RayP]

Kruger was arguably the most important depth piece in 2015. He shut down some premier lines that year.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has an agenda to push.

I was never his biggest fan but in his prime he was incredibly value. Him and Frolik killing penalties were a thing of beauty.

 

[featherhawk]

Kruger was arguably the most important depth piece in 2015. He shut down some premier lines that year.

agreed Kruger was a very valuable piece to the hawks success.

IMO Kampf can be groomed to be used in a similar way however JC seems to think that Kampf can also be utilized in a more offensive role. Time will tell and remember Kampf may be nothing but a stop gap at 4C until Barratt/Wise are ready as the top 3 C's moving forward Toews, Strome and Dach push them to 4c.

this also means one of Barratt/Wise and Kurashev likely play in the NHL as wingers and IMO Kurashev would be better utilized as a winger.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Anyone who thinks otherwise has an agenda to push.

I was never his biggest fan but in his prime he was incredibly value. Him and Frolik killing penalties were a thing of beauty.

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I’ve thought about Kampf-Kubalik as the next Kruger-Frolik