Has a "soft" player ever toughened up and played hard?

Rebels57

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Michael Del Zotto did a 180 from his first season with the Flyers to his 2nd.

One-dimensional puck-mover that couldn't defend much or win a battle in his own zone. Woke up one day in October as a really good defender that could take a hit and win a battle, but sacrificed much of his offense to do so.
 

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Dan Cleary. The dude figured out what he needed to do to stay in the NHL. Clearing up his addiction problems probably helped a lot as well.
 

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Michael Del Zotto did a 180 from his first season with the Flyers to his 2nd.

One-dimensional puck-mover that couldn't defend much or win a battle in his own zone. Woke up one day in October as a really good defender that could take a hit and win a battle, but sacrificed much of his offense to do so.

And he turned into a McDavid Destroyer...
 

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Yzerman's career was defined by two completely different paths; one of the most polarizing hall of famers in terms of how different his halves were.

Not really, the whole "started to play defense" thing was super overblown to fit the narrative of Bowman being the best coach of all time and Yzerman being the consummate team player.


Yzerman played defense in the 80's he killed penalties, he was double shifted as the third line center, he backchecked, literally the only difference is he cheated a bit more in the 80's, which every star forward did(played on the offensive side of the puck instead of the defensive for anyone who has played hockey will know what i mean).


Only difference is in the 80's and early 90's he played in the division that was basically a bye for the smythe division on one of the worse teams in his own division.
 

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Mikael Granlund is soft as heck, but he really tried to toughen it up last season :laugh: Wasn't really successful though
 

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Teddy Purcell shows a little jam every once in a while. If he was able to flip the switch for good he'd be a much more effective player.
 

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Datsyuk used to be a soft player. Then he became pretty tough and an underrated hitter.
 

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Jeremy Roenick interview paraphrased
"I came out of the U.S. Hockey route with little to no physical play in the league's we played in, then went to the offensively oriented QMJHL with little physical play. I was in an exhibition game with the Blackhawks and skated around a hit. I went back to the bench and sat down. Keenan stormed over, grabbed me by the collar and yelled at me never to do that again or I'd never play in the NHL. I was 18yo and almost started crying. I started laying hits and the people cheered, the bigger-the better. I kept doing it because I started to love doing it."

I had no idea that Roenick played in the QMJHL.
 

Alwalys

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I bet this happens a lot but in levels below the NHL, and the players that don't we never hear of.

Vlasic's kinda a jerk now.

This is probably the best example from the Sharks. Vlasic deliberately added sandpaper to his game to the point he's under the radar dirty these days lol
 

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Not really, the whole "started to play defense" thing was super overblown to fit the narrative of Bowman being the best coach of all time and Yzerman being the consummate team player.


Yzerman played defense in the 80's he killed penalties, he was double shifted as the third line center, he backchecked, literally the only difference is he cheated a bit more in the 80's, which every star forward did(played on the offensive side of the puck instead of the defensive for anyone who has played hockey will know what i mean).


Only difference is in the 80's and early 90's he played in the division that was basically a bye for the smythe division on one of the worse teams in his own division.

https://www.nhl.com/news/when-yzerman-bought-in-overall-success-followed/c-504907

Yzerman himself has admitted that he had to completely change his game in order to succeed as a team. He changed as much as a player of his offensive caliber ever has while in his prime years.
 

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Brett Hull. Not that he was ever butter soft, but he was quite a different player in St. Louis than he was in Dallas and later. Harder to play against in all zones and very good defensively, whereas in St. Louis he was pretty much just a shooter, you wouldn't have wanted him out there in a grinding shut down situation.
 

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If I recall correctly Cody franson was soft as hell in Nashville then started hitting a ton when he went to Toronto, dunno how he is now
 

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Not really, the whole "started to play defense" thing was super overblown to fit the narrative of Bowman being the best coach of all time and Yzerman being the consummate team player.


Yzerman played defense in the 80's he killed penalties, he was double shifted as the third line center, he backchecked, literally the only difference is he cheated a bit more in the 80's, which every star forward did(played on the offensive side of the puck instead of the defensive for anyone who has played hockey will know what i mean).


Only difference is in the 80's and early 90's he played in the division that was basically a bye for the smythe division on one of the worse teams in his own division.

Yeah, exactly.

Yzerman obviously got better in this regard in his 30s, but the notion that he was a complete one-dimensional creampuff during his big offensive years is total revisionist history to fit a narrative and completely incorrect.

From the age of 22-23 he was considered a quality two-way forward, killed penalties, and was receiving Selke votes. Published scouting reports from the late-80s without fail reference his responsible defensive game.

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Back to the original question, the best example I've ever seen of a guy completely changing his game/identity is Marty Reasoner.

When Reasoner was drafted and coming through the St. Louis system, he was considered a hugely talented, soft-as-butter skill center, and was often compared to Craig Janney, the poster boy for soft-as-butter skill centers. But when his career stalled in St. Louis and he was exiled to Edmonton, he completely remade himself into a gritty, defensive center who was a shot-blocking machine. And proceeded to have a very long career as a specialist defensive #4 center.
 

Rysto

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Yzerman obviously got better in this regard in his 30s, but the notion that he was a complete one-dimensional creampuff during his big offensive years is total revisionist history to fit a narrative and completely incorrect.

That was kind of my point. Yzerman was considered soft mostly because his team didn't win the Cup. Once they had some Cup wins under their belt, all of a sudden he wasn't a soft player anymore. Honestly, I think that applies to a lot of players that get called soft. It all comes down to whether they play on a winning team or not.
 

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