Proposal: Habs vs Anaheim + Calgary + Ottawa

[DropIt]

You really comparing 20yo KK to 26yo Mangiapane here? Get real bro.

Armia is also a better player than Ryan, so is Ylonen

Considering the bread eater is better than KK, yeah i think he is?

 

[DropIt]

The OP is a bad trade for Calgary but don’t get carried away. Kotka has way more value than Mangiapane

Sure doesn't.

It's not like Mang is 35. There's a 4 year gap and the older one is better.

 

[crackdown44]

Sure doesn't.

It's not like Mang is 35. There's a 4 year gap and the older one is better.

I’m a Flames fan but the 21 year old center lighting up the playoffs with the draft pedigree has more value

Mangi is great and I wouldn’t even be surprised to see him put up 30/30 next year in an increased role but he just doesn’t have more value than Kotka right now. Even though he may be better right this second

 

[Sam Pollock]

Habs : Joel Armia (resigned) + Ylonen
&
Calgary : Andrew Mangiapane

I'm not trying to start a war between the two fan bases (you seem to be pretty good at that), but what Calgary would want for Mangiapane is way more than you would be willing to part with. Sorry but do you believe that we don't know what we have in Mangiapane?

 

[Double Dion]

The OP is a bad trade for Calgary but don’t get carried away. Kotka has way more value than Mangiapane

Disagree profoundly. I value Mangiapane higher than anyone on the Flames roster except Lindholm. Higher than Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

 

[crowi]

If I trade Drouin to Anaheim, I'd rather build something around Rakell (shoots right but can play LW).

Ducks say no to that instantly.

 

[Double Dion]

I’m a Flames fan but the 21 year old center lighting up the playoffs with the draft pedigree has more value

Mangi is great and I wouldn’t even be surprised to see him put up 30/30 next year in an increased role but he just doesn’t have more value than Kotka right now. Even though he may be better right this second

May be better? It's not remotely close in any regard. I think he will be a 30/30 guy next year while playing on the shutdown line. I don't see a 5 goal guy in his third year being worth that regardless of draft pedigree.

 

[DFF]

Fancy stats do. Also look at some of his stick work on the pk. Even with the eye test this can be clear.

He is good but I guess my definition of elite is different. Like at least top 5 in the league and he is not

 

[crackdown44]

I am fully prepared for a ton of lowball offers for Mangi. No need for flames fans to make counter offers that make us look equally dumb. All I’m going to say

 

[WidgitRibbit]

Anaheim has no interest in Drouin. Anaheim is building a very very young squad from here on out. Getzlaf is toast, I would say Rakell is toast same with Henrique and Silf. If teams are wanting to trade with Anaheim it needs to be worthwhile prospects under age of 24 and first round or second round 22/23’ picks.

Duck fans may say differently. But that’s really in Anaheims best interest

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

The Mangiapane deal is horrendous for Calgary. Wow

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Ottawa is not in the market to subtract starting lineup players for futures.

They should tank for Wright

 

[Double Dion]

He is good but I guess my definition of elite is different. Like at least top 5 in the league and he is not

Over the past 2 seasons guess what the fancy stats say? They say he is top 5 over that time period. Granted, he's played mostly with Backlund who is an elite defensive center.

 

[Double Dion]

The Mangiapane deal is horrendous for Calgary. Wow

Even our fans have no idea how good he already is. It's kind of shocking how underrated he is even in Calgary. People talk like he has less value than Monahan. Team Canada was a dumpster fire at the worlds. He's single handedly rescued that team.

 

[Lockin17]

what would it take to land Mangiapane from the Habs ?
Did not think he was worth that much

 

[Altimus]

They should tank for Wright

They tanked for Laf and that didnt work out. I'd rather they play competitive hockey with the current lineup.

 

[Mersss]

Anaheim has no interest in Drouin. Anaheim is building a very very young squad from here on out. Getzlaf is toast, I would say Rakell is toast same with Henrique and Silf. If teams are wanting to trade with Anaheim it needs to be worthwhile prospects under age of 24 and first round or second round 22/23’ picks.

Duck fans may say differently. But that’s really in Anaheims best interest

The only player who'd get back a 1st MAYBE in that list is Rakell... others aren't worth it

 

[crackdown44]

what would it take to land Mangiapane from the Habs ?
Did not think he was worth that much

There’s just no reason for Calgary to move him short of an overpayment and no reason for Montreal to overpay for him imo

 

[DFF]

Over the past 2 seasons guess what the fancy stats say? They say he is top 5 over that time period. Granted, he's played mostly with Backlund who is an elite defensive center.

Sorry, doesn’t pass the eye test to me. Mangi can not possibly be a defensive elite while falling down half the time. Besides this year, I don’t remember the flames shutting down any elite offense consistently anyway

 

[Clamshells]

Habs : First pick 2021 + Lekhonen
&
Ottawa : Connor Brown

Would you trade Gallagher for Sens 2nd + SJ 2nd + Tierney? If not, why do you think Ottawa would want this?

 

[Artanis]

I'd do the Connor Brown trade if Ottawa is out of the playoffs, and can't resign Brown.

 

[Double Dion]

Sorry, doesn’t pass the eye test to me. Mangi can not possibly be a defensive elite while falling down half the time. Besides this year, I don’t remember the flames shutting down any elite offense consistently anyway

I definitely see with my eyes what the numbers say. If you don't remember the Flames having good defensive forwards I question your judgment. Backlund and Lindholm get Selke votes for a reason. Tkachuk, Frolik and Mangiapane were/are all high end defensive wingers. The numbers say it, their coaches say it, my eyes say it.

If you want to question goaltending and the ability to generate offense (outside of Kipper years) I'm right there with you.

Mangiapane is one of the most effective 5 on 5 players in the league. He had the same amount of even strength goals as guys like Draisaitl, Huberdeau and Ovechkin. More than Pastrnak and Stone who are both elite 5 on 5 wingers. Only Pastrnak, Marchand, and Stone gave up fewer high danger scoring chances per minute for top 6 wingers.

 

[Double Dion]

what would it take to land Mangiapane from the Habs ?
Did not think he was worth that much

You wouldn't like the answer from me. The players aren't ones you'd want to part with. Mangiapane and Lindholm are the two guys I wouldn't be trading from the Flames. Possibly add Hanifin to that if he does what he did this year again next year.

 

[BurgoShark]

How about instead of Montreal you try to get these 3 players to Calgary? It seems Mangiapane is the least-moveable of the bunch.

Calgary trades Monahan (separate deal) to free up 2C spot and $$
Calgary trades ??? to Anaheim for Henrique
Calgary trades ??? to Ottawa for Brown (possibly Monahan involved in this)

From Ottawa's PoV they wouldn't be trading Brown for futures. It would need to be a hockey trade that make them better (hence the Monahan suggestion).

 

[Double Dion]

How about instead of Montreal you try to get these 3 players to Calgary? It seems Mangiapane is the least-moveable of the bunch.

Calgary trades Monahan (separate deal) to free up 2C spot and $$
Calgary trades ??? to Anaheim for Henrique
Calgary trades ??? to Ottawa for Brown (possibly Monahan involved in this)

From Ottawa's PoV they wouldn't be trading Brown for futures. It would need to be a hockey trade that make them better (hence the Monahan suggestion).

I'd definitely move Monahan. Just not sure what his value is. I mean he scores outside of this season and wins you face-offs. Not sure what else he really brings to the table. If I could get a late 1st for him he'd be gone.