General Managers get the credit and blame for draft picks truth is its the scouts that know the players best or should and they are the ones who should be blamed .Wasn’t it Bergevin that wanted Reilly and posters ridiculed him for years because of this........
Habs best and worst decision of the past decade
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If you're judging individuals based on team results, Michel Therrien is a better coach than Claude Julien.
jordy
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Best:
loved the additions of domi, tatar, suzuki and danault.
Worst:
I hate the price contract although I've always felt he was overrated.
Still hate the Subban trade. I feel like the habs lost their swagger and havent been the same since.
Giving Weber the C over gallagher.
loved the additions of domi, tatar, suzuki and danault.
Worst:
I hate the price contract although I've always felt he was overrated.
Still hate the Subban trade. I feel like the habs lost their swagger and havent been the same since.
Giving Weber the C over gallagher.
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Worst decision was hiring Bergevin.
I liked the hiring when it happened, I felt like Bergevin was a young GM who may have some fresh ideas. And while he didn’t look terrible at first his lack of direction, has handcuffed this team for 8 years. He’s made some nice trades, but after nearly a decade of drafting MB has failed to land an extra first rounder, has failed to move up a single spot in the first round, and at the other end of the spectrum has failed to move one of our coveted firsts for a roster player. So whats the plan here Bergy?
Best decision, I’d go with Petry, cant imagine the D without him, Domi is a close second but Petry cost significantly less. However you feel about Galchenyuk he was a 3rd overall pick.
I liked the hiring when it happened, I felt like Bergevin was a young GM who may have some fresh ideas. And while he didn’t look terrible at first his lack of direction, has handcuffed this team for 8 years. He’s made some nice trades, but after nearly a decade of drafting MB has failed to land an extra first rounder, has failed to move up a single spot in the first round, and at the other end of the spectrum has failed to move one of our coveted firsts for a roster player. So whats the plan here Bergy?
Best decision, I’d go with Petry, cant imagine the D without him, Domi is a close second but Petry cost significantly less. However you feel about Galchenyuk he was a 3rd overall pick.
Bring Bak Damphousse
Fire Bergevin...into the Sun
Agreed on Subban. I wasn’t necessarily against trading pk but I feel like we blew an opportunity to land that star center that we’ve been missing forever. Pk was arguably a top 5 dman at the time of the trade and while Weber looks better right now, the trade made no sense, at best it was a lateral move that saved us very little money, and shortened our competetive window. Had bergy gone all in , traded our first and some youngsters and gone for it than fine, but bergevins gonna bergevin.
jordy
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bergevins going to bergevin is right. I think everyone can agree on that. haha
Our team was better back then....Clod has been subject to alot of junk picked up Bergevin. Therrien inherited a better team and a #3 overall pick.
Well, sure. There's no comparison between a legit good coach like Julien and Therrien. Which underlines my point that it's unfair to attach team results to any individual, whether it's Therrien, Julien, Weber or Subban.
yesWasn’t it Bergevin that wanted Reilly and posters ridiculed him for years because of this........
Tighthead
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Scouts take direction from, and are accountable to, the GM.
A GM gets no absolution for poor drafting. They steer the ship.
Edgy
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Best drafting and extending Gallagher. The kid is all heart and doesn't take a game or shift off.
Worst, extending Bergevin when he obviously had no plan, was overwhelmed and under qualified for the position.
Worst, extending Bergevin when he obviously had no plan, was overwhelmed and under qualified for the position.
Best: 1-Weber - Subban, 2-Pacioretty - Tatar, Suzuki and 2nd, 3-Domi-Galchenyuk, 4- Danault for Fleishman and Weise, 4-Drouin for Sergachev
Worst- No big UFAs
Worst- No big UFAs
Scouts are to blame when missing on high pick . Montreal drafting Galchenyuk is all on the scouts .
Price sucked in 2009-10 especially in the playoffs. Remember him firing a puck into the flyers goal celebration? He didn't have huge trade value at the time. We sold as high as high could be on halak
Tighthead
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Nope. The GM signs off on it. I love how it’s “the scouts”, just spread the blame around to nameless people en masse.
Could you please detail how you arrived at this conclusion, and enlighten me specifically with what role each individual usual scout played in the decision. I’m curious as to how specifically you would apportion blame to each individual scout involved. Thanks, it’s obvious that in texting your conclusion you are privy to detailed information that I don’t have. Please share.
it’s amazing the lengths people will go to absolve the man in charge.
Who hires and fires scouts?
Who directs them?
Who has final say on the choices?
NHL General Managers do not spent the majority of their time scouting minor league players its a myth they spend very little time actually . Scouting is the strength or weakness of every team along with developing the players after being drafted . Being drafted is the beginning of the race not the end or even the middle. There are 200 plus prospects drafted each year development is key to success.
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DAChampion
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The GM is responsible for the scouts. He hires and selects whether or not to keep them.
No team continually fires its scouting staff it takes years to find out if players selected will become NHL talent . General Managers also have bosses and are not making decisions on their own.
Bring Bak Damphousse
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Wasn’t it Bergevin that wanted Reilly and posters ridiculed him for years because of this........
we wouldve turned Reilly into Beaulieu and watched Galchenyuk turn into a 75pt center
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Yet it was the first thing Yzerman did when TB hired him.
Timmins also came in very soon after Savard, around a year and a half later. Its common for new GMs to revamp the scouting team.
Its not common at all that a team fires its scouting staff . A scouting staff consists of Minor league scouts and then there are scouts that's only focus is at the Pro level . Its rare a team will revamp their scouting staff .
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OldCraig71
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Fire Bergevin...into the Sun
Wasn’t it Bergevin that wanted Reilly and posters ridiculed him for years because of this........
Wasn’t it Bergevin that wanted Reilly and posters ridiculed him for years because of this........
yes
I dont buy this revisionist bullshit, like MB and company knew Rielly was going to be better but went with Galchenyuk anyway?
Bring Bak Damphousse
Fire Bergevin...into the Sun
If MB cant trust his scouts, thats on him. This is the groups he’s assembled to do that job. He has the power to replace them.
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