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Baksfamous112

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So the best case is that you’re starting your cup contending years with a 34 year old goalie taking up over 10% of the cap? That doesn’t sound great.

Why not? NYR did it with Lundqvist. Nashville did it with Rinne. Boston won a cup with Thomas. Didn’t you guys won cups with Roy as a starter? Wasn’t he in his mid 30’s when that happened? 35 isn’t that old for a franchise goalie.

Price have been fairly healthy his whole career. His only injuries were a concussion from a slap
Shot, Kreider running him down and him stepping on a puck in a warmup. He never had to go through any surgery. Give him a contender in front of him and I’m sure he’ll be able to do something with it
 

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Why not? NYR did it with Lundqvist. Nashville did it with Rinne. Boston won a cup with Thomas. Didn’t you guys won cups with Roy as a starter? Wasn’t he in his mid 30’s when that happened? 35 isn’t that old for a franchise goalie.

Price have been fairly healthy his whole career. His only injuries were a concussion from a slap
Shot, Kreider running him down and him stepping on a puck in a warmup. He never had to go through any surgery. Give him a contender in front of him and I’m sure he’ll be able to do something with it

Price isn't worth stripping the future and giving up one of the best LHD prospects in a long time. No matter hows it spun.
 

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And if Montreal wants to be in the same position as Toronto one day (contenders) they need to keep their superstar goalie.


You can't be. They have 4 players better than any of yours. You need to rebuild to have chance on players as good as Matthews/Marner/Tavares
 

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You can't be. They have 4 players better than any of yours. You need to rebuild to have chance on players as good as Matthews/Marner/Tavares

It’s not that black and white. St-Louis doesn’t have any players as good as Matthews/Marner/Tavares.

What I mean is Montreal need to keep their goalie if they ever want to successful. St-Louis is a prime example of that concept where they were the worst team in the league with a shaky goalie (1b/2a) and then went on to win the cup with a hot goalie.

I’d rather take my chances with our current prospecta pool & Price.

Edit: I’m also aware that Byram is most likely to become a top pairing D by the end of his ELC. As good as a young D can be, he can’t stop pucks from going into the net if our starter shit the bed
 

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News flash: Montreal would not. It’s all fun and games to have draft picks and top prospects but if your starting goalie is a guy who hasn’t proved he can be a #1 and your back up is someone who had a piss poor year last year then no, it’s not a good deal.

The goal is to win hockey games, get into the playoff and fight for a chance to win the Stanley cup. This trade leaves us with the biggest hole a team could possibly have. The Blues last year is a prime example of what a good goalie can do to a team. From dead last to winning the SC.

It’s like saying Toronto would trade Andersen for Makar and a 2nd round pick because Makar’s a beast and value favor Toronto. Value & top prospects ain’t worth **** if you have an unbalanced lineup.
Toronto and or Montreal wouldn't get Makar or Byram for anyone. Andersen certainly wouldn't fetch Makar lol that's preposterous
 

Baksfamous112

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Toronto and or Montreal wouldn't get Makar or Byram for anyone. Andersen certainly wouldn't fetch Makar lol that's preposterous

It was hypothetical. I needed names to show a point. Is this so hard to understand?

While Colorado would probably not make those trades, you can bet your life that neither Toronto or Montreal would do that trade either. Positional need > overall value
 
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Why not? NYR did it with Lundqvist. Nashville did it with Rinne. Boston won a cup with Thomas. Didn’t you guys won cups with Roy as a starter? Wasn’t he in his mid 30’s when that happened? 35 isn’t that old for a franchise goalie.

Price have been fairly healthy his whole career. His only injuries were a concussion from a slap
Shot, Kreider running him down and him stepping on a puck in a warmup. He never had to go through any surgery. Give him a contender in front of him and I’m sure he’ll be able to do something with it

Im not saying you can’t win a cup with an older goalie. I’m saying a rebuild plan shouldn’t include one. Even if things work out exactly to plan (which they rarely do) it gives you a really short window.

I think Price would be great on a team going for it right now, but I’m not sure anybody would be giving up much to also take on that contract.
 

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It’s not that black and white. St-Louis doesn’t have any players as good as Matthews/Marner/Tavares.

What I mean is Montreal need to keep their goalie if they ever want to successful. St-Louis is a prime example of that concept where they were the worst team in the league with a shaky goalie (1b/2a) and then went on to win the cup with a hot goalie.

I’d rather take my chances with our current prospecta pool & Price.

Edit: I’m also aware that Byram is most likely to become a top pairing D by the end of his ELC. As good as a young D can be, he can’t stop pucks from going into the net if our starter **** the bed

Not sure why you keep brinigng St-Louis. They are prime example that you can just win cup with random goalie. You dont need 10mln dollars one.
I just dont think its realistic for Montreal to be real contender with Weber/Price being main parts of a team. That division is just crazy.
But i wish you luck. Canadiens were always team that played better than talent suggested (in my opinion obviously)
 
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Richard88

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I agree Byram goes nowhere. The base of the trade is good though.

Grubauer
2020 1st (probably late 20's with Price being an Avs)
Zadorov

Would be an acceptable deal for me as a Habs fan.
With Byram included it's a massive no, but Zadorov instead of Byram makes this interesting, even though it's a huge ask to fit Price into the cap structure long term.

Just for fun I played around with the capfriendly Armchair-GM using this deal as a basis, and I came up with the following moves, based on what the roster would look like for the 2021-22 season:
  • Trade Grubauer + Zadorov + 2020 1st to Montreal for Carey Price.
  • Replaced UFA's Wilson/Nieto/Calvert/Bellemare with Newhook/Kovalenko/Kaut/Bowers on ELC's.
  • Replaced Cole/Connauton/Barberio with Byram/Timmins.
  • Resigned Rantanen ($9.6m), Landeskog ($8.5m), Burakovsky ($3.5m), Jost ($3,5m), Makar ($8m), Timmins ($4m), Rosén ($1.2m), Graves ($1.2m), and Francouz ($2,5m) to reasonable deals.
Those moves put the cap hit at $86.9m, which is clearly too high (barring a $5.5m rise in the cap by 2021).

With that in mind, although the projected 2021-22 lineup below looks pretty awesome, it does seem like a bit of a pipe-dream due to the cap.

Landeskog --- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
Burakovsky ---- Kadri --------- Donskoi
Jost ----------- Newhook ------- Compher
Kovalenko ----- Bowers -------- Kaut

Girard --- Makar
Byram --- Johnson
Graves --- Timmins
Rosén

Price
Francouz

That said, 2021 is the year of the expansion draft, and getting out of Johnson's $6m at that stage could perhaps be a realistic option, so I decided to include a Johnson trade in my roster scenario.

Losing Johnson (and resigning Connauton instead, at the same cap-hit as his current contract) puts the total cap at $82.2m, which should be comfortably within the cap given that it is expected to rise above that by 2021. That leaves the defense as follows:

Girard --- Makar
Byram --- Timmins
Graves --- Connauton
Rosén

So, with those moves on defense acquiring Price seems to be a move that could feasibly work for the 2021-22 season at least.

However, looking even further ahead, 2022 will see Kadri hit UFA, and Bowers, Kaut, and Byram all probably needing to be resigned at significant raises after their ELC's.

A year later in 2023 the cap situation gets even worse, with Mackinnon, Donskoi, Compher, and probably Newhook up for renewals. At which stage there would be 3 years left of then-36 year old Price's contract at $10.5m , which would force us to lose at least another really good player or two.

It's also worth noting that this projection depends on quite a few prospects on ELC's actually taking the step up, which is a big assumption at this stage.

Needless to say, as nice as it would be to acquire Carey Price , it just doesn't work for Colorado long-term cap-wise. We'd be much better off stacking the D and riding it out with Grubauer (or another non-All-star calibre goalie).
 
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With Byram included it's a massive no, but Zadorov instead of Byram makes this interesting, even though it's a huge ask to fit Price into the cap structure long term.

Just for fun I played around with the capfriendly Armchair-GM using this deal as a basis, and I came up with the following moves, based on what the roster would look like for the 2021-22 season:
  • Trade Grubauer + Zadorov + 2020 1st to Montreal for Carey Price.
  • Replaced UFA's Wilson/Nieto/Calvert/Bellemare with Newhook/Kovalenko/Kaut/Bowers on ELC's.
  • Replaced Cole/Connauton/Barberio with Byram/Timmins.
  • Resigned Rantanen ($9.6m), Landeskog ($8.5m), Burakovsky ($3.5m), Jost ($3,5m), Makar ($8m), Timmins ($4m), Rosén ($1.2m), Graves ($1.2m), and Francouz ($2,5m) to reasonable deals.
Those moves put the cap hit at $86.9m, which is clearly too high (barring a $5.5m rise in the cap by 2021).

With that in mind, although the projected 2021-22 lineup below looks pretty awesome, it does seem like a bit of a pipe-dream due to the cap.

Landeskog --- Mackinnon ---- Rantanen
Burakovsky ---- Kadri --------- Donskoi
Jost ----------- Newhook ------- Compher
Kovalenko ----- Bowers -------- Kaut

Girard --- Makar
Byram --- Johnson
Graves --- Timmins
Rosén

Price
Francouz

That said, 2021 is the year of the expansion draft, and getting out of Johnson's $6m at that stage could perhaps be a realistic option, so I decided to include a Johnson trade in my roster scenario.

Losing Johnson (and resigning Connauton instead, at the same cap-hit as his current contract) puts the total cap at $82.2m, which should be comfortably within the cap given that it is expected to rise above that by 2021. That leaves the defense as follows:

Girard --- Makar
Byram --- Timmins
Graves --- Connauton
Rosén

So, with those moves on defense acquiring Price seems to be a move that could feasibly work for the 2021-22 season at least.

However, looking even further ahead, 2022 will see Kadri hit UFA, and Bowers, Kaut, and Byram all probably needing to be resigned at significant raises after their ELC's.

A year later in 2023 the cap situation gets even worse, with Mackinnon, Donskoi, Compher, and probably Newhook up for renewals. At which stage there would be 3 years left of then-36 year old Price's contract at $10.5m , which would force us to lose at least another really good player or two.

It's also worth noting that this projection depends on quite a few prospects on ELC's actually taking the step up, which is a big assumption at this stage.

Needless to say, as nice as it would be to acquire Carey Price , it just doesn't work for Colorado long-term cap-wise. We'd be much better off stacking the D and riding it out with Grubauer (or another non-All-star calibre goalie).

I just can’t see the AVs making this deal. Habs need LHD and agree Zadorov is more likely than Byram to be offered by the AVs.

Although, moving Zadorov or even RHD - EJ makes little difference. Zadorov is likely getting a raise to the same level as EJ. Price would ultimately cost losing both players to fit under the Cap. A few years after, extend Kadri, Makar will cost another. Mackinnon will be another player etc.

Price would devastate the cap structure and alter the future direction of the team. It’ll continue to worsen, as he ages being untradeable.

AVs stays away. There is little to no chance they want Price.
 
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AVS: Carey Price

Habs: Bowen Byram
Phillip Grubauer
2020 first round pick

hockey can’t start soon enough. Just a little fun. Shades of the Roy trade. Bringing in Price puts the avs right in contention for at least the next 3 - 5 years. Canadians get a good young goalie, a number 1 d man that they need and a first round pick. What say you?

As a Habs fan, absolutely would I do this deal.
 

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Any Avs fans saying no to this is nuts. Carey Price is the best goalie on the planet. Okay Vasi May be pushing that now but nobody has the international success, regular season success and solid in playoffs like Price.

It would need some pieces added to leave the Avs with cap space but it would make them SC favourites out of the west for the next 7 years. You loosing a backup pushed to starters role, a great kid who has proven nothing and what is likely a late first for a top 5 goalie in the league.
 
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AVS: Carey Price

Habs: Bowen Byram
Phillip Grubauer
2020 first round pick

hockey can’t start soon enough. Just a little fun. Shades of the Roy trade. Bringing in Price puts the avs right in contention for at least the next 3 - 5 years. Canadians get a good young goalie, a number 1 d man that they need and a first round pick. What say you?
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Richard88

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I just can’t see the AVs making this deal. Habs need LHD and agree Zadorov is more likely than Byram to be offered by the AVs.

Although, moving Zadorov or even RHD - EJ makes little difference. Zadorov is likely getting a raise to the same level as EJ. Price would ultimately cost losing both players to fit under the Cap. A few years after, extend Kadri, Makar will cost another. Mackinnon will be another player etc.

Price would devastate the cap structure and alter the future direction of the team. It’ll continue to worsen, as he ages being untradeable.

AVs stays away. There is little to no chance they want Price.
Yeah I agree. Even if Colorado keep Byram and all their other core players, acquiring Price just kills the cap structure.

Regarding Zadorov, I doubt that he'll ever be getting a raise around Johnson's $6m though, not unless he has a monster season anyways. I'd guess that he'll probably get around $4-4.5m on his next deal, which is probably going to be too high for the Avs to keep him as a 3rd pair defenseman, especially when factoring in the risk of losing him for nothing in the expansion draft.
 

Richard88

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Any Avs fans saying no to this is nuts. Carey Price is the best goalie on the planet. Okay Vasi May be pushing that now but nobody has the international success, regular season success and solid in playoffs like Price.

It would need some pieces added to leave the Avs with cap space but it would make them SC favourites out of the west for the next 7 years. You loosing a backup pushed to starters role, a great kid who has proven nothing and what is likely a late first for a top 5 goalie in the league.
In a vacuum acquiring Price would be a huge addition for the Avs, however, there's just no way it could work without losing some other core players in the next 3-4 years. Trading a stud D prospect - who will be on an ELC for the next 3 years, would just exacerbate that further. Adding good players on ELC's to your roster is how you add depth to your roster to win in this league now.
 

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Yeah I agree. Even if Colorado keep Byram and all their other core players, acquiring Price just kills the cap structure.

Regarding Zadorov, I doubt that he'll ever be getting a raise around Johnson's $6m though, not unless he has a monster season anyways. I'd guess that he'll probably get around $4-4.5m on his next deal, which is probably going to be too high for the Avs to keep him as a 3rd pair defenseman, especially when factoring in the risk of losing him for nothing in the expansion draft.

EJ might be asked to waive or bought out to keep Zadorov. Although, his next deal might be too expensive to be on the 3rd line or ask for a trade for a better opportunity.

I can see a proposal instead of Price of:

Zadorov

For

Suzuki

Both players have limited opportunities due to their team depth. Habs get the big LHD. AVs fill a need for a C/RW.
 

Richard88

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EJ might be asked to waive or bought out to keep Zadorov. Although, his next deal might be too expensive to be on the 3rd line or ask for a trade for a better opportunity.

I can see a proposal instead of Price of:

Zadorov

For

Suzuki

Both players have limited opportunities due to their team depth. Habs get the big LHD. AVs fill a need for a C/RW.
Interesting idea. I've mostly thought that if Zadorov were to get traded it would be in a package (with a pick/prospect) for a top 6 forward, but perhaps the smart move might be to acquire a good prospect who can join the team on an ELC around the time that Mackinnon resigns his deal.

That would ensure that the player acquired would be exempt from the Expansion Draft first of all. And secondly, most of our top prospects will already be off their ELC's by 2023 (i.e. Makar, Byram, Timmins, Newhook, Jost, Kaut, etc), so adding a young forward who can help the team on an ELC from 2023 onwards would be really important in order to maintain strong depth.

Curious to see what Montreal fans think of your Suzuki for Zadorov suggestion.
 

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you turn a contender team into a finalist and some AV fans are crying they are getting robbed ? what do AV fans want, the f***ing moon every time there is a trade ?
 

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I don't care that you accept it or not, it's plain dumb to say no to an other Roy just because you like your pet prospect, classic HF
I say no because the value isn't the same (there was no Byram equivalent in the Roy trade) and also lol Price is no Roy, so overrated by you. Roy was the best goalie to play the game and Carey is simply 'top 5 for a few years' and hasn't won jack. Cya
 
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you turn a contender team into a finalist and some AV fans are crying they are getting robbed ? what do AV fans want, the ****ing moon every time there is a trade ?

AVs have the 5th best odds (tied with BOS & TOR) to win the Cup. STL being cup champs 6th. HABs are tied for 23rd. Doubt that Price would significantly change the odds. There is no need to mortgage their future for an aging player with a horrendous contract.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/bruins/nhl-odds-bruins-one-favorites-win-2020-stanley-cup
 
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