Euro: Group F: Hungary vs. France, 6/19/2021

[gary69]

The difference for Hungary will also be that their last match against Germany is away in Munich.

 

[Evilo]

Amazing sequence of posts highly enjoyable to read looool. This guy was bought for 100+ million and can’t ever string 3 passes

And hit the post on his first ball without staying silent...

 

[cgf]

It also means Germany can absolutely not afford to lose against Portugal (even a tie would be very problematic)

How so? If we (Germany) beat them (Hungary) in the 3rd match then whoever losses the Germany-Portugal match can still go through as a 3rd seed as long as their GD is good.

And if we can't beat Hungary with our tournament on the line, then that's just one fewer game that I have to get mad at Jogi while watching

 

[Evilo]

Where's Kingsley Coman did he not make the squad?

Became a father two days ago.

 

[Evilo]

ya that aged well loool

Actually yes. The talent evaluation average here is close to zero, but you manage to hit the negatives, well done.
Dembele got in, immediately created danger and hit the post. He was asked to unbalance the defense and he clearly did since he was double teamed all along, creating space for others.
Of course, limited football fans can't see that

 

[Evilo]

You can have both or better yet Dembele and greizzy

Don't forget Umtiti and Lenglet.

[MOD]

 

[Evilo]

No penalty there. Just a glob of players colliding.

I wouldn't call a penalty, but quite clearly, the hungarian player tried to rugby tackle Kimpembe and yet he was the one rolling, acting injured

 

[Evilo]

Brilliant game from Hungary. Would have won too if not for 1 stupid gaffe at the back

Or wouldn't have scored without one either

 

[Adrianopolous]

Became a father two days ago.

He would have been a nice super sub to have. He's been snubbed many times before though unfortunately.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Don't forget Umtiti and Lenglet. [MOD]

[MOD]

take those guys give me laporte who have been wanting since his athletic days along with Mpabbe

[MOD]

 

[Evilo]

The French exposed as mortals.

Who had doubts?

Well this is a shocker and completely transforms this group.

Totally not shocked myself, I called a 0-0 draw.
France always has it tough in the group stage and Hungary scoring first was bound to be a problem.

 

[MXD]

How so? If we (Germany) beat them (Hungary) in the 3rd match then whoever losses the Germany-Portugal match can still go throw as a 3rd seed as long as their GD is good.

If Germany loses against Portugal, its GD probably won't be very good unless they absolutely trash Hungary. More than a few 3rd will end up with 4 points as well.

 

[MXD]

Actually yes. The talent evaluation average here is close to zero, but you manage to hit the negatives, well done.
Dembele got in, immediately created danger and hit the post. He was asked to unbalance the defense and he clearly did since he was double teamed all along, creating space for others.
Of course, limited football fans can't see that

He just got called out on really bad passing for stretch. Not on his lack of skills, tools, crativity or tactical impact.
In other words, he's a world-class player who had a bad stretch.

 

[Evilo]

France still tops the group with a win in that match, so while this is a bad result, it's the one that I think wasn't as important for france as beating the other two big teams in this group.

Whereas for Portugal & us, beating up on Hungary is going to be our ticket to the knockouts; regardless of how this next match plays out.

I think all 3 go through. But Germany can't make a mistake against Hungary now.
But they won't be lucky to score on a blunder like Pavard all the time.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Actually yes. The talent evaluation average here is close to zero, but you manage to hit the negatives, well done.
Dembele got in, immediately created danger and hit the post. He was asked to unbalance the defense and he clearly did since he was double teamed all along, creating space for others.
Of course, limited football fans can't see that

Ya he also couldnt but keep the ball to save his life or make a pass. Ask yourself if this kid has proven to be a 100plus million dollar player. The answer is absurdly clear to anyone.

 

[cgf]

The French exposed as mortals.

International teams are always mortal & in any run there will be countless moments that can be pointed to as potential turning points.

Even Spain 2008-2012 (the greatest NT of all time) could have seen the whole thing go up in smoke in 2010 had Mesut gone down when he was fouled in the box, right before halftime, and been given the pen. No guarantees of course, but our counters were lethal that year (especially when we had the lead) and we had some excellent PK-takers who would've been likely to have converted to give us the opener.

France's "weakness" is when they go behind and have to break down a deep block...and that is the most likely way they will be stopped from adding a european crown this summer...but they're still good at that most of the time. When France gets the first goal & can be the team to sit back, otoh, they are almost unbeatable. And usually, when they go behind, they're not this impotent...I suspect they were caught looking ahead to the Portugal match after that hard-won 1st game.

 

[cgf]

I think all 3 go through. But Germany can't make a mistake against Hungary now.
But they won't be lucky to score on a blunder like Pavard all the time.

Yeah, even if we beat Portugal we can't get sloppy in that final match.

 

[Evilo]

He just got called out on really bad passing for stretch. Not on his lack of skills, tools, crativity or tactical impact.
In other words, he's a world-class player who had a bad stretch.

Nah, there's a history there.

 

[Bure80]

That's an awful awful awful take.
France 18 was lead a grand total of 10 minutes in the entire WC.
They scored 4 goals on Croatia and Argentina.
They didn't "almost" lose to Algeria. They had one of the toughest road to a WC win ever (Argentina, Uruguay, Belgium, Croatia).

Croatia and Argentina liked to have the ball. The gauge were the teams in the group, who parked the bus like French does.
Btw. im not a fan of those Croatian and Argentian teams too. The quality of the WC 2018 was weak in general. Good Brazil teams wiped the floor with Croatia for example.

 

[Evilo]

Croatia and Argentina liked to have the ball. The gauge were the teams in the group, who parked the bus like French does.
Btw. im not a fan of those Croatian and Argentian teams too. The quality of the WC 2018 was weak in general. Good Brazil teams wiped the floor with Croatia for example.

And so?
How was is the weakest? Because Portugal sucked?
France's side of the draw had Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Portugal. You can't make it much tougher in a year where Germany sucks.
As a comparison, Germany had an easier route to their 2014 WC win, and almost lost on several occasions (including the group stage).

 

[cgf]

If Germany loses against Portugal, its GD probably won't be very good unless they absolutely trash Hungary. More than a few 3rd will end up with 4 points as well.

A team with only 3 points has to have at least -2 from its two losses...so we'll be in the same boat as any other 3pt 3rd place finisher will be in unless they got to 3pts by drawing every match. Yes there will be 4pt teams in the mix for those 3rd place spots, but it probably won't be all 4 of the 3rd place teams that advance.

So sure, if Portugal thumps us by 3+ things could get rough unless we have another 7-1 in us...but that's true for Portugal too if we hand them another 4-1 . If, otoh, this match ends up a 1 goal game, then whoever the loser is between Germany/Portugal should be in good shape to slink through with a german win over hungary...which we were going to need whether Hungary got a point from france or not.

 

[Evilo]

You have 4 french NT players, including 3 WC champs but you say you want good ones, not bad ones.

And again, the problem is clearly not the players (though Umiti's injury killed him), but perhaps the whole Barca team?
How would you explain Dembele and Griez have played well for the NT?

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

You have 4 french NT players, including 3 WC champs but you say you want good ones, not bad ones.

And again, the problem is clearly not the players (though Umiti's injury killed him), but perhaps the whole Barca team?
How would you explain Dembele and Griez have played well for the NT?

You said Lenglet sucks and agree with it. I love Sam but injuries did him in it’s clear he aint 2018 Sam anymore and likely never getting healthy. Griezzy who I loved in la real and defend him against you of all people the boy is talented his just an idiot. I can stomach that but he hasn’t lived up to his price tag. Clearly good but doesn’t fit. Dembouz well what’s been said has been said nothing else I can post. He’ll either prove me wrong or right time will tell.

 

[Evilo]

Also fun is that evven when we're playing against f***ING HUNGARY, we still have a guy born in France and learning his football in France playing against us. This time Loic Nego.
We'll face french players in every single of the 3 group stage games.

 

[Bure80]

And so?
How was is the weakest? Because Portugal sucked?
France's side of the draw had Belgium, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Portugal. You can't make it much tougher in a year where Germany sucks.
As a comparison, Germany had an easier route to their 2014 WC win, and almost lost on several occasions (including the group stage).

Maybe beside Belgium all nations had much stronger teams in their history. I like offensive football.
For example the 92 Dutch team with Koeman, de Boer, Gullit, Rijkard,Bergkamp, van Basten was so fun to watch. I would rank this team above France 18. Even if this generation won nothing.
A bit offtopic. Someone from Brazil here who can explain the decline of Brazil football? There was times where even the 2nd Brazil team had chance to win the World Cup.