Grind & lose. Therrien-Puck is back. Habs lose 2-1 OT.

Kriss E

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If you read my previous post, you'd see I alluded to the fact that the lack of fire and motivations that plagues most of our players may be related to a coaching problem.
And while I've been and still am the biggest Eller fan, I do think fans have been cutting him way to much slack lately. While he hasn't gotten any PP time as well as had terrible teammates, he's really not playing well in general. His decision making is off, he makes terrible plays in the neutral zone all the time and he's toned it down physically. But once again, this problem comes back to the lack of motivation. Maybe another coach would push him to be better.

It's tough to really point the finger towards one (or many) player (unless that player has a history of rather lazy work) when pretty much all the team has regressed.
If one or two players appeared lazy or careless, then ok. Pretty much like people used to criticized Kovalev and Kostitsyn.
Bourque is the only guy on our team that has the same type of reputation. Aside from him, you can't pinpoint a guy, yet they've all regressed.

We're lucky to have grabbed a point this game. There is no more maybes, I mean what more do people need to see from Therrien to realize he's horrible. Like really?
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

:( :shakehead :help:
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

hey, give him a break, that literally just happened

:sarcasm:
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

Well it's an older person you're dealing with. And a slip of the tongue maybe. And two Habs coaches have been illiterate, book-learning and international affairs are not prerequisites for coaching. Also it is true that Plekanec was born in "Czechoslovakia."
 

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How do you expect these guys to be motivated when they are told to play in a way that doesn't suit them? Or when they see crappier players getting better or more ice time?
Take Eller for instance. How can you blame this guy if he isn't motivated?? He has had to bend over backwards in order to get just a tiny bit of recognition. He was scratched, benched, put on 4th line, given grinders, until finally the coach had the common sense to try him out with decent offensive wingers. But hey, they had to be rookie wingers.
He does quite well with them. Still, they're frequently broken, and aren't really given PP opportunities.
This season start, he's given the same linemates. Every time they play together, they create something offensively, dominate their opposition and even produce. Still, they are yet again frequently split up in order to jump start other problems.
Another line clicks with Gallagher, so he's out. Eller sees his offensive role diminish, drop of ice time both at ES and PP. At least Galchenyuk is kept on his wing and he produces at a .5 ratio. Until Therrien is sick of seeing Plek play with tired vets or a rookie (despite it decently working) and puts him there.
Eller is left alone with dead wood, no more offensive role, no PP opportunities, reduces ice time.

How exactly do you want him to be motivated?? No matter what he does, he's being glued to a 3rd line checking role at best. Such a waste..

Therrien is horrible. Ever went to work with a horrible boss?? It pushes people to quit sometimes. I see no difference in hockey. If you think the coach is running the team like a moron and doing things wrong, you can't expect someone to be motivated.

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ECWHSWI

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So you're telling me Bourque cares that we lost tonight? the guy couldn't be bothered to get the puck down the ice let alone contribute in any positive way. Yes, a lot of elite athletes work at it on a consistent basis. Guys like Plekanec and Subban are a testament to that. But some, and not all, can't and won't be bothered. They don't share that same will to win.

what do you mean, some ? you were talking about many just a page ago...
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..
 
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ECWHSWI

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

what top 6 ? we have one offensive line and one defensive line... that our top 6.
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..

Exactly......:handclap::handclap::handclap:
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..

We bash because we saw how they played last year. :/
 

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We bash because we saw how they played last year. :/

We werent more skilled last year, we were playing every games like there was no tommorow, in a compressed calendar, after an aweful season.. Its just normal to have a little let down.. We are still in a very very good posture to make the playoffs this year despite a very ordinary offense.. People are expecting too much out of this team..
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

Therrien would fit right in on this board :nod:
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

He's just old-school, for him the fall of the Soviet Union and the separation of Czechoslovakia haven't happened yet.
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.

Holy ****, tell me this is a joke...god damn.
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..

There are too many people like you on this board, as Habs fans. Yeah sure, this coach never does anything wrong...**** it. I'm outta here.
 

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People are so defensive towards him that any negative things said is turned to an agenda. I learned thattonight even beeing one of his biggest fan.

It's true. We all love Subban and I was pretty vocal about him being left off TC (well, on ice). This game, however, did confirm that Babcock made the right choice. (Apart from the fact we pwned our way to the gold medal.)

PK's defensive play has gone downhill and now he rarely even scores off his shots. Sure he creates rebounds, but last year PK was better in both zones. He's still amazing, but he was bad against the Wings apart from the puck possession rush near the end. Gorges is Gorges, but it wasn't his job to take Nyquist. Even if it were, PK was close enough to do something. I think the mental side is finally getting to him even if he has a big smile on his face. No big deal, I have full faith that he'll recover. Doesn't help that he's relied upon so much.

It blows my mind how Deharnais plays 23 minutes tonight when Glachenyuk is by far superior. It's a joke really.

DD was actually pretty good. Sure he got pinned a few times, but he also made many good plays and kept control of the puck through traffic. Pacioretty was pretty pathetic on that line IMO. Chucky was the best forward. DEFINITELY should have been out there in OT, if not before the timeout, certainly after.

I know the players sucked ass this game (Budaj not included), but to say everyone has regressed hard this year... That's going to the extreme...

Agree. Pleks is having a better year. (Or at least as good of a year). Moen has improved. Bourque is marginally better at making things happen (though that doesn't say much). Gallagher has been put in a tough spot - he's still as good as he was last year. I think the same is true for Eller.

There admittedly are players who are playing worse (Prust, Emelin) and some who are just as meh as last year, but I don't think the whole team is worse. Therrien has proven that he is still on the decline since the skid last year. That is perhaps what counts the most.

I'd say that Galchenyuk isn't improving as much as I would like.. I'd say stagnation rather than progression/regression.

Really? He was a beast last night.

"we put ourselves in a position to get a point'

no, you scored a ****ing fluky goal at 6 on 5 with 30 ticks left

^this.

What a horrible game to watch after the Olympics. 59 minutes of garbage and one therrien-esque OT. Can we haz Vanek plz?
 

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On another note, Therrien in the pregame interview with TSN 690 when talking about the players that played in the Olympics, he said something along the lines of ''PK and Price from Canada, MaxPac from the USA, Plek from Czechoslovakia''...

That's the kind of educated person we're dealing with here.
Well at least he didn't say Czechoslovenia
 

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It's true. We all love Subban and I was pretty vocal about him being left off TC (well, on ice). This game, however, did confirm that Babcock made the right choice. (Apart from the fact we pwned our way to the gold medal.)

I do know that Subban has things to work on. And that he's not perfect. As we saw earlier in the year, if you would have based your opinion on our game against the Hawks, Keith was horrible. And Weber was really bad against us as well. Now....some people wanted him in the top 6. It was debatable. At the very least, he would still have deserved #7 and PP specialist, not like the PP was great.
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..

We do have an average team. TRUE, people overrate our top 6, we only have 2 really high-end players in Subban and Price and even Subban has things to work on right now. But the only reason why we have 71 pts is because of 1 INCREDIBLE goalie, and 1 INCREDIBLY weak conference. Sorry, but you don't analyse the quality of a coach and a team based on 1 guy in the net and 1 weak conference. A great coach and a great team would do the same in any conference. Tell me, Therrien would be that awesome in the West. But they are not. They are in the East. Weak East. Yet, same weak East we had last year and 2 years before. What did we do in the playoffs? So don't worry, we'll see the real value of this team when it counts the most, where suddenly people will realize how average this team really is. Thank god though that they are not fooled by the number of points to know how average Therrien is.
 

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Although I hate Therrien and I wish he gets fired... it's not him who told Subban to take an awfull penality that cost the first goal and told him to totally forget his defense and leave alone his man near the net for the winning goal. Very disappointed in Subban yesterday, I was expecting him to put on a show for Babcock and almost win the game by himself... he just showed to everyone why Babcock made the right call leaving him in the press box...
 

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Anybody who is seriously defending Therrien at this point, please kindly GTFO. What a horrible coach. Playing for the shootout? Give me a break, what a dick head.
I hate Therrien too, but this post is pretty dumb.

We were the team icing two forwards and one defenseman in OT, while Detroit went with the more conservative 1 forward, 2 defenseman.
 

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Why could he not have put Galchenyuk and Gallagehr out there for a shift. Young legs could have possibly done better than sending Pleks and Gio out every 2nd shift
 

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Michel Therrien is an amazing coach, 71 pts, fourth in the conference with a pretty average team!! :yo:

Fans have unrealistic expectations, its rather laughable to see the coaching to be bashed year after year by a bunch of wanna be the next Habs coach, thinking they could do better.. The reality is that Therrien is having 2 consecutive very good seasons coaching the Habs despite the fact we badly lack skills on our top 6.. Habs top 6 is horrible, face it.

About tonight game.. We worked hard but the timing was just off, whats to be expected after 2 weeks off.. I thought Gorges struggled the most on D, hopefully he picks it up..

This pretty average team is currently the second worst 5 on 5 team production wise in the NHL right now after the Sabres. Great goaltending and decent special teams are making us look better than we are - we are the new Leafs, except more extreme.

Last year we were a well above average 5 on 5 team...even if that wasn't sustainable, we have gone completely in the opposite direction. And worse of all, it's hurting our most important skaters, including our best skater, Subban, who is playing the worst hockey he has played since his rookie year.

Even if the ceiling of this team is average, Therrien is failing to reach that, only to be bailed out by the goalies and by luck.
 

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