Gretzky or Lemieux, One player you would pick to start your dynasty.

[norrisnick]

He was the most consistant goal scorer of all time... 9 consecutive seasons with 50+ goals plus. better than "the great one".

There wasn't a more consistant goal scorer and we can't use injuries as an excuse to devalue his achievements. The 9 seasons with 50+ goals is huge... no one ever came close to it. You're not giving him credit.

The real top 5 in my book are or what we call now "S Tier":

Richard, Lemieux, Bossy, Ovy, Gretz

Hull falls under the A tier

Bobby Hull led the league in goals 7 times. Bossy twice.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Easily Bobby Orr. Can spend more time on the ice than a forward and impacts the game in all zones. Will tilt the game in our favor moreso than any other player in history.

 

[Bombshell11]

Gretzky's first NHL season was 1979-1980. Bossy's last season to hit 50 was 1985-1986. So looking at those 7 years alone (which includes a rookie Gretzky):

- Bossy has 413 goals and 421 assists.
- Gretzky has 481 goals and 856 assists. So more goals than Bossy head to head by a large margin, while also doubling his assists.

Bossy does not belong in a greatest of all-time goal-scorer list. The highest he can start is maybe #5, probably #7.

suspect comparison

 

[66-30-33]

Lemieux.

 

[bobholly39]

suspect comparison

Lol

 

[JasonRoseEh]

He was the most consistant goal scorer of all time... 9 consecutive seasons with 50+ goals plus. better than "the great one".

There wasn't a more consistant goal scorer and we can't use injuries as an excuse to devalue his achievements. The 9 seasons with 50+ goals is huge... no one ever came close to it. You're not giving him credit.

The real top 5 in my book are or what we call now "S Tier":

Richard, Lemieux, Bossy, Ovy, Gretz

Hull falls under the A tier

Ovechkin is more consistent, more prolific and has done it for longer in an era where 50 goals means much more than in the 80's. A lot of guys hit 50 in Bossy's era, not a lot do that today. Again, he's not even the best of his era, not second best either. There's no case for Bossy as the best.

 

[NORiculous]

Why isn’t Crosby listed?

Voted Lemieux even if Gretzky is the obvious choice.

 

[Bombshell11]

Why isn’t Crosby listed?

Voted Lemieux even if Gretzky is the obvious choice.

Who would pick crosby over Gretz or Lemieux?

 

[bobholly39]

Who would pick crosby over Gretz or Lemieux?

You say that - yet you also listed Bossy, Ovechkin, Coffey, Richard, McDavid on the poll...

Only 3 people you should have included, and they are Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr. Hasek as an x-factor maybe since he's a goalie, and it's such an important position

 

[tfwnogf]

I take the greatest goal scorer ever. Ovechkin.

 

[Bombshell11]

You say that - yet you also listed Bossy, Ovechkin, Coffey, Richard, McDavid on the poll...

Only 3 people you should have included, and they are Gretzky/Lemieux/Orr. Hasek as an x-factor maybe since he's a goalie, and it's such an important position

McDavid is 2x the hockey player Crosby ever was, i put him there to represent the 2000s era. Bossy has the most consecutive 50+ goals seasons, Richard is the OG in Goals scoring and Ovy might become the best goal scorer of all times.

What does Crosby done that would warrant him a pick over the top 3 you listed? And the question is who you would pick to start your dynasty. Crosby hasn't done anything special to warrant him a spot. If you're going to mention the 3 scs then you missed the point of the question.

 

[jigglysquishy]

McDavid is 2x the hockey player Crosby ever was, i put him there to represent the 2000s era. Bossy has the most consecutive 50+ goals seasons, Richard is the OG in Goals scoring and Ovy might become the best goal scorer of all times.

What does Crosby done that would warrant him a pick over the top 3 you listed? And the question is who you would pick to start your dynasty. Crosby hasn't done anything special to warrant him a spot. If you're going to mention the 3 scs then you missed the point of the question.

And Gordie Howe is a better player than all these guys.

 

[bobholly39]

McDavid is 2x the hockey player Crosby ever was, i put him there to represent the 2000s era. Bossy has the most consecutive 50+ goals seasons, Richard is the OG in Goals scoring and Ovy might become the best goal scorer of all times.

What does Crosby done that would warrant him a pick over the top 3 you listed? And the question is who you would pick to start your dynasty. Crosby hasn't done anything special to warrant him a spot. If you're going to mention the 3 scs then you missed the point of the question.

lol

 

[DomBarr]

Gretzky, or Lemiuex, and even Orr. I would flip a coin and be happy with any of the 3.

 

[Bombshell11]

And Gordie Howe is a better player than all these guys.

Subjective statement

 

[jigglysquishy]

Subjective statement

Howe> Richard is as clear cut as it comes. Same era, vastly different results. Contemporaries viewed Howe as better, Howe peaked higher and for longer. Howe has the larger trophy case. The only reason it's even close is because Richard played on a dynasty. Howe was widely considered the greatest hockey player of all-time from the mid 50s until peak Orr.

Hart Finishes
Howe: 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,7,7
Richard: 1,2,2,3,3,3,8

Bossy: 3,4,6,6,7,10
Ovechkin: 1,1,1,2,2,6,6,7
Crosby: 1,1,2,2,2,2,3,4,5,6
McDavid: 1,1,2,3,5,5

What is the argument for Howe not being number one of all these players?

 

[Video Nasty]

McDavid is 2x the hockey player Crosby ever was, i put him there to represent the 2000s era. Bossy has the most consecutive 50+ goals seasons, Richard is the OG in Goals scoring and Ovy might become the best goal scorer of all times.

What does Crosby done that would warrant him a pick over the top 3 you listed? And the question is who you would pick to start your dynasty. Crosby hasn't done anything special to warrant him a spot. If you're going to mention the 3 scs then you missed the point of the question.

You can’t tell that to a wide audience on this forum. Crosby is a childhood binky for a lot of them, a comforting reminder of their youth that crumbles with each passing day.

Telling them that he didn’t stand out as much as other greats is basically telling them that their formative hockey years didn’t matter.

Most can’t stomach seeing their hero surpassed in real time.

 

[NORiculous]

Who would pick crosby over Gretz or Lemieux?

Who would pick anyone else. Doesn’t mean Crosby shouldn’t be there if Ovechkin is there.

 

[Bombshell11]

Howe> Richard is as clear cut as it comes. Same era, vastly different results. Contemporaries viewed Howe as better, Howe peaked higher and for longer. Howe has the larger trophy case. The only reason it's even close is because Richard played on a dynasty. Howe was widely considered the greatest hockey player of all-time from the mid 50s until peak Orr.

Hart Finishes
Howe: 1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,7,7
Richard: 1,2,2,3,3,3,8

Bossy: 3,4,6,6,7,10
Ovechkin: 1,1,1,2,2,6,6,7
Crosby: 1,1,2,2,2,2,3,4,5,6
McDavid: 1,1,2,3,5,5

What is the argument for Howe not being number one of all these players?

Make your own poll

 

[Bombshell11]

Who would pick anyone else. Doesn’t mean Crosby shouldn’t be there if Ovechkin is there.

Ovy is probably going to be the best goal scorer of all time, Crosby is neither the best scorer or passer. Case closed.

Yeah there's no way im putting Crosby in to the list... McDavid is so much better than him.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Make your own poll

The last History of Hockey list had 100% of voters place Howe above Richard, Bossy, and Ovechkin. He finished 2nd all time behind Gretzky.

 

[Bombshell11]

The last History of Hockey list had 100% of voters place Howe above Richard, Bossy, and Ovechkin. He finished 2nd all time behind Gretzky.

you misunderstood the point of the poll

 

[North Cole]

McDavid is 2x the hockey player Crosby ever was, i put him there to represent the 2000s era. Bossy has the most consecutive 50+ goals seasons, Richard is the OG in Goals scoring and Ovy might become the best goal scorer of all times.

What does Crosby done that would warrant him a pick over the top 3 you listed? And the question is who you would pick to start your dynasty. Crosby hasn't done anything special to warrant him a spot. If you're going to mention the 3 scs then you missed the point of the question.

Subjective statement

 

[NORiculous]

Ovy is probably going to be the best goal scorer of all time, Crosby is neither the best scorer or passer. Case closed.

Yeah there's no way im putting Crosby in to the list... McDavid is so much better than him.

So McDavid gets 40 pts more then Crosby in their first 500 games but Crosby wins a cup and he is dismissed as a weaker player.

Ok

Oh yeah, did Ovechkin win a cup in his 500 first games? Remind me because I can’t remember.

Which one of them has 3 cups?

I guess leading a team to the promise land trice isn’t worth anything in your pole because “there is no way you are putting Crosby in to the list”.

I thought the question was about building a dynasty but now see that leadership isn’t a factor.

Fine.

Cheers,

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Username says it all for me!