Rumor: Gretzky in talks with Caps & three others

[Atlas]

I know the restructuring may make it difficult to know who is going to have what powers, but I would think a top notch GM candidate is going to demand full control of the team.

Lets just hope we get a top candidate GM in here with said controls, which should all but confirm Wayne is a PR stunt at least for the next several years.

If it's PR then Ted remains an idiot. Any great GM has to be free to build the team in his way. If this GM is a dud then we can forget the Caps until Ted is gone.

 

[txpd]

anyone but McPhee. and....so we are there now. it cant get any worse.

 

[RandyHolt]

If it's PR then Ted remains an idiot. Any great GM has to be free to build the team in his way. If this GM is a dud then we can forget the Caps until Ted is gone.

He may be an idiot either way then

Based on Wayne's lackluster post playing career resume, I would say Ted is an idiot for bringing him into an executive position in anything other than for PR uses, attracting free agents, pull with the league, TV time etc.

You would think being the greatest ever, he would have walked into a post playing career as a diplomat for the NHL. While he may well have learned lessons from his time in Phoenix, what has he been doing since then?

Anyone want to throw together his post playing career resume?

Wayne Gretzky
[email protected]

Former NHL great who...

 

[SimplySensational]

He'd be a fine president of hockey operations for all we know. Coaching and team president are 2 different positions.

 

[Langway]

While he may well have learned lessons from his time in Phoenix, what has he been doing since then?

Anyone want to throw together his post playing career resume?

When Phoenix's owner, Jerry Moyes, declared bankruptcy in 2009 he walked away from paying 99 ~$8M. Gretzky fought to get that money and kept his distance the past few years while that situation got resolved. Initially the NHL pushed to recover that from Moyes in court but it didn't happen so the league paid him early last December. What do you know but right after that comes word 99 wants back into the league.

2000 - 2009: Phoenix Coyotes--Managing Partner, Alternate Governor, Head of Hockey Operations
2005 - 2009: Phoenix Coyotes--Head Coach
2002 & 2006: Team Canada--Executive Director

 

[txpd]

so....its proof that g cant do hockey other than playing because he didn't win a lot in phoenix? you paint a lot of guys working for low budget teams when you do that....like trotz for instance.

he did lead team maple leaf to Olympic gold medal. that would be impressive.

I don't know whether he knows what he is doing or not. I do know that using lack of success in Pheonix as your main evidence that he can't doesn't carry a lot of weight.

 

[Atlas]

He may be an idiot either way then


Wayne Gretzky
[email protected]

 

[Liberati0n*]

so....its proof that g cant do hockey other than playing because he didn't win a lot in phoenix? you paint a lot of guys working for low budget teams when you do that....like trotz for instance.

he did lead team maple leaf to Olympic gold medal. that would be impressive.

I don't know whether he knows what he is doing or not. I do know that using lack of success in Pheonix as your main evidence that he can't doesn't carry a lot of weight.

It's the remarkable depth of his failure there that makes it so damning.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=84708525&postcount=24

 

[RandyHolt]

When Phoenix's owner, Jerry Moyes, declared bankruptcy in 2009 he walked away from paying 99 ~$8M. Gretzky fought to get that money and kept his distance the past few years while that situation got resolved. Initially the NHL pushed to recover that from Moyes in court but it didn't happen so the league paid him early last December. What do you know but right after that comes word 99 wants back into the league.

2000 - 2009: Phoenix Coyotes--Managing Partner, Alternate Governor, Head of Hockey Operations
2005 - 2009: Phoenix Coyotes--Head Coach
2002 & 2006: Team Canada--Executive Director

Thanks. I had long forgotten just how involved he was in Phoenix. Despite the pending financial settlement, I am surprised he has not done more in the past 5 years. Generally speaking, employers are looking for candidates that don't have 5 year lulls in employment.

 

[txpd]

since the honeymoon feeling of the firing of McPhee and Oates has fully burned off and we are full on back to the negative. can we discuss worst case scenarios? it is gretzky? ive been feeling like Ron Wilson is coming back. Would that be it?

 

[RandyHolt]

Doomsday scenario is selling off all assets for pennies on the dollar and rebuilding overnight setting the team back 5 years. There is no name needed to doom and gloom proper.

 

[Chokingdogs]

since the honeymoon feeling of the firing of McPhee and Oates has fully burned off and we are full on back to the negative. can we discuss worst case scenarios? it is gretzky? ive been feeling like Ron Wilson is coming back. Would that be it?

funnily enough, there's some who would rejoice at that prospect.

i'm not one of them.

 

[g00n]

since the honeymoon feeling of the firing of McPhee and Oates has fully burned off and we are full on back to the negative. can we discuss worst case scenarios? it is gretzky? ive been feeling like Ron Wilson is coming back. Would that be it?

I'm still glowing from the firings. I'll get back to you.

 

[RockDaRed]

anyone but McPhee. and....so we are there now. it cant get any worse.

shut it you.

 

[Liberati0n*]

RIP Stormin Norman's credibility.

 

[Calicaps]

RIP Stormin Norman's credibility.

why? i've been on vacation.

 

[Liberati0n*]

why? i've been on vacation.

He said yesterday this was going to happen. It seems like it should've at least leaked more widely by now if so.

 

[ChibiPooky]

He said yesterday this was going to happen. It seems like it should've at least leaked more widely by now if so.

They're just waiting to have Lady Gaga announce it on the 15th 12th.

 

[Calicaps]

He said yesterday this was going to happen. It seems like it should've at least leaked more widely by now if so.

They're just waiting to have Lady Gaga announce it on the 15th 12th.

thanks... lol

 

[Langway]

Maybe they're waiting for the Wizards to lose again.

Monumental cover.

 

[um]

Maybe they're waiting for the Wizards to lose again.

Monumental cover.

i completely forget ted owned the wizards, hopefully that is what the wait is about.

 

[Hivemind]

Hopefully the wait is because someone is coming to their senses, and decided not to hire Gretzky.

 

[ChibiPooky]

So what are we looking for in a president of hockey operations? All I see around the league is former players, most top-tier, and most with connections to the team. Sakic, Linden, Neely... Just doesn't seem like there are really any concrete qualifications for such a position. No background necessary in talent evaluation, contract law, management, etc.

 

[CC96]

so....its proof that g cant do hockey other than playing because he didn't win a lot in phoenix? you paint a lot of guys working for low budget teams when you do that....like trotz for instance.

he did lead team maple leaf to Olympic gold medal. that would be impressive.

I don't know whether he knows what he is doing or not. I do know that using lack of success in Pheonix as your main evidence that he can't doesn't carry a lot of weight.

It's fantastic evidence that carries a huge amount of weight, because virtually every decision Wayne made for our franchise was a complete disaster. From hiring his former player agent with no experience to be our GM, to making his brother our head scout, to giving all his Oiler buddies high-ranking jobs despite them having no experience, it was a complete mess. Not to mention he was an abomination as a head coach. It's not a coincidence that we went from 79 points to 107 points the season immediately after Wayne left.

I like the Caps a lot, and I really hope for the good of the team that Wayne doesn't get hired.

 

[IPreferPi]

It's fantastic evidence that carries a huge amount of weight, because virtually every decision Wayne made for our franchise was a complete disaster. From hiring his former player agent with no experience to be our GM, to making his brother our head scout, to giving all his Oiler buddies high-ranking jobs despite them having no experience, it was a complete mess. Not to mention he was an abomination as a head coach. It's not a coincidence that we went from 79 points to 107 points the season immediately after Wayne left.

I like the Caps a lot, and I really hope for the good of the team that Wayne doesn't get hired.

I'll echo this. TGO's decade-long reign in Phoenix pretty much ran the team into the ground. The *only* thing TGO did right and saved the Yotes from relocation (at least for now) was hiring Don Maloney as GM late in his tenure.