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ODAAT

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Wagner was engaged with another player and McQuaid jumps in, grabs him and pounds him to the ice. That's a liberty taken.

I don`t want to see DS make a move due to someone else`s stupidity which is what Quaider did was

what McQuaid did wasn`t take liberties with a B`s player, he believes there was a score to be settled

Taking liberties would have been Quaider ragdolling a JFK or Heinen with no Bruin in sight to do anything about it
 

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I don`t want to see DS make a move due to someone else`s stupidity which is what Quaider did was

what McQuaid did wasn`t take liberties with a B`s player, he believes there was a score to be settled

Taking liberties would have been Quaider ragdolling a JFK or Heinen with no Bruin in sight to do anything about it
Roman Polak grabbed Torey Krug, the Bruins smallest player and started chucking fists at him when he wasn't expecting it. Liberty taken. No response.

Borowiecki concussed a Bruins rookie with a dirtbag elbow in the head causing him to miss significant time. Liberty taken. No response.
 
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Wagner was engaged with another player and McQuaid jumps in, grabs him and pounds him to the ice. That's a liberty taken.

Disagree, Quaider felt his teammate was wronged, liberties taken would be McQuaid rag dolling a JFK/Heinen or someone else with no Bruin in sight holding him accountable

It was bush league and if it wasn`t Quaider, the majority would be saying the same thing here

I don`t disagree that some toughness is required but I don`t view that incident as liberties taken
 

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Roman Polak grabbed Torey Krug, the Bruins smallest player and started chucking fists at him when he wasn't expecting it. Liberty taken. No response.

Borowiecki concussed a Bruins rookie with a dirtbag elbow in the head causing him to miss significant time. Liberty taken. No response.

ok friend, come up with the solution, provide me with realistic names of players who can actually play, maybe be out there to potentially answer the bell from time to time?

I see this team as one that has few who engage in that stuff, but I also realize fixing that is far from simple as some seem to think it is. Those players who play in the ilk of the Simmonds/Wilson if you wish are just few and far between
 

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ok friend, come up with the solution, provide me with realistic names of players who can actually play, maybe be out there to potentially answer the bell from time to time?

I see this team as one that has few who engage in that stuff, but I also realize fixing that is far from simple as some seem to think it is. Those players who play in the ilk of the Simmonds/Wilson if you wish are just few and far between
Wayne Simmonds
Michael Ferland
Miles Wood
Jujhar Khaira (4th line role)
Nick Ritchie
Lawson Crouse (4th line role)

Just a few that could potentially be available.
 

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SAID AGAIN:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/br...another-example-teams-taking-liberties-bruins

"So what can be done about this?

"Certainly the Bruins need a top-6 winger or a third line center much more desperately than they need a fourth line brawler, and their biggest need is scoring power up front to offset some of the pressure on Brad Marchand, Patrice Bergeron and David Pastrnak. But there’s a very real danger that some of those players won’t be healthy and in one piece if the Bruins continue on their current path, and opponents don’t have the same respect they once did for the Black and Gold when Milan Lucic, Shawn Thornton and others like McQuaid patrolled the ice ready to defend their teammates no matter the cost.

"The Rask concussion is just the latest example that opposing teams are skating around and taking liberties with the Bruins this season, and that isn’t going to change unless the Bruins decide they’re going to do something about it."

No player is afraid to crash the Bruins net anymore. Long time since that 2011 defense.

Also what drugs are McAvoy on? He didn’t feel he made contact?
 

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Wayne Simmonds
Michael Ferland
Miles Wood
Jujhar Khaira (4th line role)
Nick Ritchie
Lawson Crouse (4th line role)

Just a few that could potentially be available.
Like a few on the list, not one bit interested in Simmonds, 2-3 years ago perhaps

Wood plays with grit, hardly a guy who`ll settle the score at times many here think the B`s need to, think a few years ago had a half dozen scraps or so but rarely does now but I do like his motor

Khaira is a guy who can actually play, not so sure the Oilers won`t look to keep him over Looch/Kassian, neither whom I`m interested in, Kassian`s game is just horrendous now and Looch can`t keep up any more, I get far too many Oiler games out here in BC, although, PC in charge there, ya never know

Not sure why Ritchie doesn`t intrigue me as a few others on your list, take Wood over him

Crouse is a guy who I actually think has the hands to be a guy who could survive on the 3rd line, plays with grit

Now, insert any of those players you listed, I still don`t see an opponent being worried about or hesitating to take "liberties" but that said, I`ve long been a fan who has felt that it matters not who you have on the ice, there will always be opponents who have players who`ll take liberties.

Clear evidence is the Cup winning B`s team and the team that preceded it, loaded with 'got your back" kind of players, sat on my couch and watched Savvy`s career end with no response and more than a few others who had liberties taken with them

The game has changed, I love scraps, love hard hitting hockey, problem is, the players who play the style of the list you provided ,which I appreciate as most just post without providing a guy they think could be a realistic "get", are few and far between and one`s most teams would want a small ransom for.

I dunno, I look at a team like the Bolts, hardly one who I would say are intimidating in the physicality department, they have a few guys who play with an edge but no bruiser, the Knights, Reaves there but is he a guy who opponents stop before they act knowing he`s on the ice? I don`t see it

That said, I`d welcome a body who can play, bring some toughness when called for but again, what`s the price tag? If I were to assess what the B`s need most, it`s a 3rd line C and possibly a top 6 winger but if PC (Cehlarik) continues to show he` s ready, perhaps only the 3rd C is the focus

I don`t like having JFK as my 3 C come playoff time, don`t think he`s ready yet to play with the urgency and grit needed that time of year. Like the strides he`s made but....
 
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I've said my piece in here 1000 times. I was giving you a list of players who could make the Bruins tougher, and better in the top 9/bottom 6. That's all.
 
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You may be able to get Crouse cheap, have always liked his game, not a great skater but good hands and tough, would be a nice addition to bottom 6 with upside.

Love Wood and Ferland.

Khaira is what all the "I only want a tough player that can play today's game" want. Big, good skater, smart, does not take a lot of penalties but does fight and hit. Sorry he isnt a top 6 forward but I like him more than anybody on the fourth line and the college line.

Simmonds if they get at a reasonable price (not a first rd pick or Frederic, vaak or Studnicka). If he costs you a weak third line defensive specialist like Heinen or prospects who need to figure out they have to get bigger, stronger and more competitive like Donato and JFK I would do it if Rask is going to be back soon, otherwise no rentals. Without Rask they aren't even a playoff team.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I'd like to see them land Ferland... I don't want to give up a kings ransom for the guy, but I'd give up any of the 3rd line guys and a pick and try to re-sign Ferland for 3-4 years. I think he adds so much to the team come April...
 

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As a Pro:

20 AHL Fights

64 NHL Fights

Not one of his concussions came from fighting.

Concussion - Elbow from Trouba
Concussion - Hit from Kronwall
Concussion - Hit from Howden

Those are his final 3 concussions, I believe. I think they came in the final year and a half of his career, too.

He's said that he's had 4 concussions, and not one was from a hockey fight, though he said he picked his spots a little smarter through the end of his career.
 

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Cumulative effects are to be considered. Most say that they didn't get concussions from fights (or that were diagnosed as such in earlier days) but repeated hard shots to the head might well play a role in making a person more susceptible to a concussion from an elbow or high hit.
 

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Cumulative effects are to be considered. Most say that they didn't get concussions from fights (or that were diagnosed as such in earlier days) but repeated hard shots to the head might well play a role in making a person more susceptible to a concussion from an elbow or high hit.
I don't disagree, but a lot of people are really quick to pin it directly to fighting. It's not always the case, honestly. I know the anti-fighting brigade love doing it, but it's not always the case, hell, not even nearly the case.

Clowe got clobbered a few times by hits, some of which were clean, the others which were pretty greasy. A simple hit to the head in the run of the play is much harder than a grazing punch off a helmet.

I could perhaps see that fighting played a part in it if Clowe was prone to getting rocked (Kyle Clifford comes to mind as a guy who's been dropped a bunch) but I can only remember one guy ever really connecting on Clowe and that was Ryan Malone in like 2008.
 
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Not one of his concussions came from fighting.

Concussion - Elbow from Trouba
Concussion - Hit from Kronwall
Concussion - Hit from Howden

Those are his final 3 concussions, I believe. I think they came in the final year and a half of his career, too.

He's said that he's had 4 concussions, and not one was from a hockey fight, though he said he picked his spots a little smarter through the end of his career.
i'm gonna go out on a limb & say that 84 bare knuckle fights over the course of his career was not exactly a recipe for long-term concussion recovery & prevention.
 
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Sorry to reignite this thread, truly sorry:D

Thoughts on the fact that having Tom Wilson on the ice yesterday did not stop Acciari from throwing 7 hits, Wagner from almost killing Oshie and Charlie from stepping into Wilson himself. I would say the B's won the physical battle yesterday.
 
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Sorry to reignite this thread, truly sorry:D

Thoughts on the fact that having Tom Wilson on the ice yesterday did not stop Acciari from throwing 7 hits, Wagner from almost killing Oshie and Charlie from stepping into Wilson himself. I would say the B's won the physical battle yesterday.
The Bruins were out hit 41-27, and Washington really took over the play into the third period. I did however think the Bruins played a damn good game for the most part, though. Wilson also had 7 hits, but he wasn't his typical head hunting self. Something tells me he would have been running around with guys like Z or Miller out of the lineup.

Again, no one is saying players don't hit when certain guys are on the other team.
 

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Sorry to reignite this thread, truly sorry:D

Thoughts on the fact that having Tom Wilson on the ice yesterday did not stop Acciari from throwing 7 hits, Wagner from almost killing Oshie and Charlie from stepping into Wilson himself. I would say the B's won the physical battle yesterday.

I thought the boogieman Tom Wilson didn't do anything outstanding yesterday. His most impactful hit was on Kuraly as Kuraly tried to get the puck out of the Bruins zone along the left-side boards.
 

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The Bruins were out hit 41-27, and Washington really took over the play into the third period. I did however think the Bruins played a damn good game for the most part, though. Wilson also had 7 hits, but he wasn't his typical head hunting self. Something tells me he would have been running around with guys like Z or Miller out of the lineup.

Again, no one is saying players don't hit when certain guys are on the other team.

Tom Wilson doesn't give two you-know-whats about Z, or Miller, or anyone else.

Tom Wilson is going to play the way he wants no matter what. Some games he has a big impact. Others like yesterday he wasn't a big factor.
 
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Tom Wilson doesn't give two you-know-whats about Z, or Miller, or anyone else.

Tom Wilson is going to play the way he wants no matter what. Some games he has a big impact. Others like yesterday he wasn't a big factor.
He did earlier this year when they played Vegas.
 

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He did earlier this year when they played Vegas.

I watched that game. Ryan Reeves didn't deter him one bit.

Seriously Sheppy this guy has lost hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of dollars in fines and he's still the same guy. If that type of financial penalty doesn't deter him a punch in the face from Reeves or Chara isn't going to either.
 

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I watched that game. Ryan Reeves didn't deter him one bit.

Seriously Sheppy this guy has lost hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of dollars in fines and he's still the same guy. If that type of financial penalty doesn't deter him a punch in the face from Reeves or Chara isn't going to either.
He definitely wasn't the Tom Wilson of previous games when Reaves was in his face dumping him every second he got.

Again, I'm not arguing this and truthfully there was no real need to bring this thread back. People are just going to keep recycling their opinion.
 

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He definitely wasn't the Tom Wilson of previous games when Reaves was in his face dumping him every second he got.

Again, I'm not arguing this and truthfully there was no real need to bring this thread back. People are just going to keep recycling their opinion.

Pretty much.

I'm not even saying intimidation doesn't work, I just don't think it does much to deter this particular player (Wilson).
 
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