[GRAPHIC] Swedish junior league: demolishes other player's face with an axe chop

[Dicky113]

It's a common opinion alright. Almost a fifth of the pop. (PS party in the latest poll.)

Rape, murder, abuse, assault, ritual cannibalism for satanic tendencies, drunk driving usually don't get away with it.

It's a medieval idea that crime needs to be punished and somehow that helps anyone. Look into Finland's correctional rates. There's a reason for the increasing rate of semi-open facilities.

The worst thing is creating trade schools for crime with pros you can't say no to.

It’s a medieval idea that crime needs to be punished? Did I read that right?

 

[Dicky113]

Something similar happened 6 years ago in a swedish tier 3 league when a player in full stride, cross checked an unsuspecting player in the head. It is by far the worst hit I have ever seen and it actually looked like attempted murder. Here is a an article and a video of the hit. The guy a two year suspension from all sports so there's the precedent.

Meh, Scott Stevens made the HoF doing those

 

[TheRarestDangles]

All you really are saying is you only have your uneducated opinion. And it's okay.

He's saying that the sentences are generally less harsh in Nordic countries. Say what you will about it's ethics, recidivism, or total efficacy compared to other rehabilitation/correction methods, but in a vacuum he's correct. Harsher crimes net lighter sentences. Does it work? Well in many ways yes. Does it make me somewhat queasy knowing that rapists do lighter time than minor offenders in the U.S.? Yeah a little.

 

[abo9]

Lol I love hockey but it's pretty insane to read some comments actually wondering about a suspension and how many "games" it would be. Thats not something for the league to deal with, thats something for the legal system to deal with - on'y thing the league has to do is ban that player from ever playong again

fortunately it's only "some" not "most" comments.

 

[Stubu]

It’s a medieval idea that crime needs to be punished? Did I read that right?

Yes, you did. It's the Medieval idea that punishing by itself makes it even out in the eyes of God.

Punishment directly doesn't work. Reacting to the crime afterwards won't do the victims any good, all too obviously.

Punishment as a deterrent doesn't work. There's always someone who want's to try nevertheless.

You're not trying to punish, you put them away, some with the hope of correction, some with just keeping them locked in from harming people.

The correction rates, as in people who don't repeat the crime after their first sentence, are good enough to justify the approach.

Repeat offenders, different story. Career criminals or organized crime, yet another story. Strong measures warranted.

None of what works in the above has anything to do with silly "punishment!" as a solution. It doesn't reduce crime. Other measures do.

 

[Dicky113]

Yes, you did. It's the Medieval idea that punishing by itself makes it even out in the eyes of God.

Punishment directly doesn't work. Reacting to the crime afterwards won't do the victims any good, all too obviously.

Punishment as a deterrent doesn't work. There's always someone who want's to try nevertheless.

You're not trying to punish, you put them away, some with the hope of correction, some with just keeping them locked in from harming people.

The correction rates, as in people who don't repeat the crime after their first sentence, are good enough to justify the approach.

Repeat offenders, different story. Career criminals or organized crime, yet another story. Strong measures warranted.

None of what works in the above has anything to do with silly "punishment!" as a solution. It doesn't reduce crime. Other measures do.

Agree to disagree. Someone rapes or kills someone, they need to go away; not comfortable living somewhere where that’s debatable.

 

[NyQuil]

Can't rewrite your past.

I guess the Swedes are the future.

 

[Gravity]

no it aint

Jeez that's brutal. Never trust a guy with two first names.

 

[Stubu]

He's saying that the sentences are generally less harsh in Nordic countries. Say what you will about it's ethics, recidivism, or total efficacy compared to other rehabilitation/correction methods, but in a vacuum he's correct. Harsher crimes net lighter sentences. Does it work? Well in many ways yes. Does it make me somewhat queasy knowing that rapists do lighter time than minor offenders in the U.S.? Yeah a little.

Good questions.

(I'm not sure rapists do less or lighter time than minor offenders in US prisons, but I'm no expert.)

Our (Finnish) Nordic system seems to be working. The focus is on correction, rehabilitation, so forth.

The career/tribal/organized element obviously just laughs at all that and needs to be recognized as different. Has been, too.

So far the whole thing seems to be working okay.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Jeez that's brutal. Never trust a guy with two first names.

Gotta be the dirtiest play of all time

 

[Stubu]

I guess the Swedes are the future.

A planet full of Ikea furniture.

 

[Syrinx]

Add some real cheese (like a cup worth) into it and some seasoning. It’s bland and thin without it for sure, but with it, my oh my, it can be quite tasty. I prefer to add two different types of cheese because I am a man with tastes which extend far beyond the boundaries of sanity.

Try adding smoked gouda. You're welcome.

 

[ninetyeight]

People don't just do things like this unless they're are mentally ill. There's gotta be more to it. Not that it makes it okey but are we sure there isn't years of bullying behind it or something, seems like that kinda reaction for something so little has to be because years of abuse or something.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Marty McSorley got a lifetime ban 20 years ago for deliberately swinging his stick at Brashear’s face.

This would also be a lifetime ban, and a lawsuit on top of that.

 

[ThisIsMyAlibi]

Put that shit in the Sweden Hall of Fame.

 

[JoVel]

Gotta be the dirtiest play of all time

Arguably not even the dirtiest play of Simon's career, which says all you need to know about him as both a player and a person.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Marty McSorley got a lifetime ban 20 years ago for deliberately swinging his stick at Brashear’s face.

This would also be a lifetime ban, and a lawsuit on top of that.

he got suspended for a year lol

 

[absolute garbage]

Agree to disagree. Someone rapes or kills someone, they need to go away; not comfortable living somewhere where that’s debatable.

That kind of cancel culture you advocate for doesn't help anyone.

What should make you uncomfortable is the high crime rates as well as recidivism rates.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Agree to disagree. Someone rapes or kills someone, they need to go away; not comfortable living somewhere where that’s debatable.

As a hypothetical -- in a situation where there was no real threat of the person repeating the crime (say they committed murder in a one-off circumstance) and allowing them to re-enter society meant they spent the rest of their life providing restitution to the victim's family (say by garnishing their wages for the rest of their life) and they also provided some other benefit (say permanent mandatory community service), would you still forego those benefits and choose to lock them away forever?

Obviously not talking about psycho-killer or serial rapist types here, but people who for whatever reason did something they're not predisposed toward and are unlikely to find themselves back in that situation.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

he got suspended for a year lol

I’m going on memory only, so if I’m wrong, whatever. But I think McSorely was originally suspended for life. But since it was his final year of his contract and no team was going to sign him to another contract, the league reduced his suspension to one year. This way, they could prevent a lifetime of potential disputes regarding reinstatement.

 

[Chrisinroch]

Video doesn’t look nearly as bad as the result. I expected a violent outburst, but it seems more like a “f*** off” type swing than something malicious. Obviously you can’t do that and a long suspension is warranted, but I don’t think it’s ban-worthy, either in that league, nor in the NHL if it happened there. Assault is hard to say, but there’d probably be a case for it if the victim wanted to go that way.

Agree that it looks almost like he’s blindly swinging, but you lose me after that

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

he got suspended for a year lol

But he never played again, that incident ended his career.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I’m going on memory only, so if I’m wrong, whatever. But I think McSorely was originally suspended for life. But since it was his final year of his contract and no team was going to sign him to another contract, the league reduced his suspension to one year. This way, they could prevent a lifetime of potential disputes regarding reinstatement.

I feel like you’re right I don’t really remember either and don’t want to look it up lmfao

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

I feel like you’re right I don’t really remember either and don’t want to look it up lmfao

Curiosity got the better of me, so I looked it up. Turns out I was wrong. He was suspended for the remainder of that season, and his contract then expired. He was charged with assault and sentenced to 18 months probation. His suspension was then increased to the entire next season, effectively ending his NHL career.

 

[EK47]

Being investigated aggravated assault(grov misshandel), which I have a hard time seing any swedish court buying. If he gets a half-way decent criminal defense attorney there is no way the prosecution is going to be able to prove that his intent was to cause serious injury.