News Article: Grabo rips Carlyle

[Einzakin]

Some people are having a pity party for Grabo. He was given ample opportunity at the starting of the year to produce, and did NOTHING. Kadri beat him out, and was our offensive go-to guy.

Grabo should have accepted his role after he could not score instead of *****ing. It's just another player making an excuse and blaming his poor play on the coach. He's not worth 5.5 MIL, excellent buy out.

 

[daveleaf]

Depends on your point of view. He certainly didn't start the season this way. I think he started out the season in a slump and Kadri took advantage. Most expected a 25goal pace from Grabo but it didn't happen.

Before he knew it, Kadri had his spot by mid season and the rest is history. He was under-utilized because he didn't produce the points he's paid to produce.

Kadri simply is a better player than Grabo so the call had to be made. Bozak through his faults was more reliable and has more uses than just offence so Grabo had not much else to offer.

Bolland replaces Grabo due to his reduced role at a much lower salary. In retrospect, the moment we acquired Bolland, it spelled the end of Grabo in Toronto as our #3c. Kadri is our #2 now and #1 is still up in the air.

Kadri get his line mates involved. Draws the defence and creates open opportunities for others. Grabo just looks at the net and shuts everyone out. I am shocked so many people are baffled by this move.

 

[KuleminFan41]

And 50-point players don't get paid $5.5

It's as simple as that.

You sure?

Cammalleri makes 6m
O'Reilly makes 5m
Stastny makes 6.5m
Horcoff makes 5.5m
Hemsky makes 5m
Koivu makes 6.75m
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points)
Kesler makes 5m
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44)
Ruutu makes 4.75m
Gionta makes 5m
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once)
Zajac makes 4.75m
Hartnell makes 4.75m
Malone makes 4.5m
Laich makes 4.5m
Erat makes 4.5m


Are all guys who get 50 points(some haven't)that Grabo has either out produced or gotten very similar in totals. Not to mention Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both make the same and a bit more both guys Grabo out produced last season(not the shortened season). Grabo is right where he is, he had one bad season and people harp on him, people expected him to play for 1m a year ffs. Look up the stats more in depth if you want,goto capgeek and compare. Very similar the past few seasons

 

[daveleaf]

You sure?

Cammalleri makes 6m
O'Reilly makes 5m
Stastny makes 6.5m
Horcoff makes 5.5m
Hemsky makes 5m
Koivu makes 6.75m
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points)
Kesler makes 5m
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44)
Ruutu makes 4.75m
Gionta makes 5m
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once)
Zajac makes 4.75m
Hartnell makes 4.75m
Malone makes 4.5m
Laich makes 4.5m
Erat makes 4.5m


Are all guys who get 50 points(some haven't)that Grabo has either out produced or gotten very similar in totals. Not to mention Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both make the same and a bit more both guys Grabo out produced last season(not the shortened season). Grabo is right where he is, he had one bad season and people harp on him, people expected him to play for 1m a year ffs. Look up the stats more in depth if you want,goto capgeek and compare. Very similar the past few seasons

Bet you more than half those teams would like to take those contracts back.

 

[MaximAmirian]

You sure?

Cammalleri makes 6m
O'Reilly makes 5m
Stastny makes 6.5m
Horcoff makes 5.5m
Hemsky makes 5m
Koivu makes 6.75m
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points)
Kesler makes 5m
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44)
Ruutu makes 4.75m
Gionta makes 5m
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once)
Zajac makes 4.75m
Hartnell makes 4.75m
Malone makes 4.5m
Laich makes 4.5m
Erat makes 4.5m


Are all guys who get 50 points(some haven't)that Grabo has either out produced or gotten very similar in totals. Not to mention Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both make the same and a bit more both guys Grabo out produced last season(not the shortened season). Grabo is right where he is, he had one bad season and people harp on him, people expected him to play for 1m a year ffs. Look up the stats more in depth if you want,goto capgeek and compare. Very similar the past few seasons

This.

 

[Yosho]

he will collect the cheque, and it's money he's earned.

talking like a baby? being part of the team? he's not part of the team. he didn't sound off on his coach when he was part of the team. his opinion is as valid as the team's opinion of him; why can't his be heard?

I know one thing for sure, you are more worked up over his words than RC or the Leaf management

He was bought out because he makes too much money. He took it far more personally than he should have.

I'm more worked up over a high percentage of Leafs fans who don't understand WHY he was bought out.

You sure?

Cammalleri makes 6m
O'Reilly makes 5m -
Stastny makes 6.5m
Horcoff makes 5.5m
Hemsky makes 5m
Koivu makes 6.75m
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points)
Kesler makes 5m
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44)
Ruutu makes 4.75m
Gionta makes 5m
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once)
Zajac makes 4.75m
Hartnell makes 4.75m
Malone makes 4.5m
Laich makes 4.5m
Erat makes 4.5m


Are all guys who get 50 points(some haven't)that Grabo has either out produced or gotten very similar in totals. Not to mention Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both make the same and a bit more both guys Grabo out produced last season(not the shortened season). Grabo is right where he is, he had one bad season and people harp on him, people expected him to play for 1m a year ffs. Look up the stats more in depth if you want,goto capgeek and compare. Very similar the past few seasons

Most of those cited players signed after very good seasons and are now overpaid. You also included a defenseman, for some reason.

Grabo's contract was dumb and because of that, he was bought out. Simple as that.

 

[Sokil]

Loved the interview. Lost respect for Carlyle - if he's neglecting his players and not getting the most out of them, I hope this is an isolated incident with a player

Grabo....just shows how much heart and passion the guy had. He loved Toronto, he loved the fans, and he wanted to be here long term. He has every right to be pissed about what we did to him.

 

[KuleminFan41]

He was bought out because he makes too much money. He took it far more personally than he should have.

I'm more worked up over a high percentage of Leafs fans who don't understand WHY he was bought out.



Most of those cited players signed after very good seasons and are now overpaid. You also included a defenseman, for some reason.

Grabo's contract was dumb and because of that, he was bought out. Simple as that.

Capgeek has them listed as forwards. And don't back track because you got proven wrong. You can't expect our MOST CONSISTENT forward(apart from Kessel) to play for 2m a year , he was our best centre even with Bozak and you want him to get paid peanuts in comparison to others around the league with similar production? Ridiculous . Maybe he was overpaid by a bit but you're not going to get 3m like people wanted. You just missed the point entirely but thats fine, he has his haters and always will no amount of fact, statistics or reason can get through to you. Therefore I'm done with this conversation with you.

 

[Sokil]

You sure?

Cammalleri makes 6m
O'Reilly makes 5m
Stastny makes 6.5m
Horcoff makes 5.5m
Hemsky makes 5m
Koivu makes 6.75m
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points)
Kesler makes 5m
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44)
Ruutu makes 4.75m
Gionta makes 5m
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once)
Zajac makes 4.75m
Hartnell makes 4.75m
Malone makes 4.5m
Laich makes 4.5m
Erat makes 4.5m


Are all guys who get 50 points(some haven't)that Grabo has either out produced or gotten very similar in totals. Not to mention Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both make the same and a bit more both guys Grabo out produced last season(not the shortened season). Grabo is right where he is, he had one bad season and people harp on him, people expected him to play for 1m a year ffs. Look up the stats more in depth if you want,goto capgeek and compare. Very similar the past few seasons

I wish this site had rep or +1's because I would rep the **** outta you

 

[Al14]

If you win say little, if you lose say less.

Shut your pie hole!

Grabo lost!!! How funny is that? Loses his job with the Leafs and gets a potential 20 million dollar severance. Hasn't cleared waivers yet.

 

[Garbs]

Randy Carlyle had virtually no influence on Grabo's bad play this year.

Nazem Kadri was the one who started the season on the 3rd line with virtually no offensive support, and played his way up the depth charts. Grabovski started the season on the 2nd line, with two of our better wingers (JVR, Kulemin) and did nothing with the opportunity. He played himself into a limited role.

 

[thewave]

If you win say little, if you lose say less.

Shut your pie hole!

Grabo lost!!! How funny is that? Loses his job with the Leafs and gets a potential 20 million dollar severance. Hasn't cleared waivers yet.

He is hoping nobody picks him up for sure.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Randy Carlyle had virtually no influence on Grabo's bad play this year.

.

That is just not true.

 

[Twist and Shout]

I'm going to miss Grabo. Sigh, on to the next one i guess...

 

[Garbs]

That is just not true.

It is, and you know it.

He was badly outplayed by Kadri, Bozak and McClement. It's all on him. He forced Carlyle's hand.

 

[Yosho]

Capgeek has them listed as forwards. And don't back track because you got proven wrong. You can't expect our MOST CONSISTENT forward(apart from Kessel) to play for 2m a year , he was our best centre even with Bozak and you want him to get paid peanuts in comparison to others around the league with similar production? Ridiculous . Maybe he was overpaid by a bit but you're not going to get 3m like people wanted. You just missed the point entirely but thats fine, he has his haters and always will no amount of fact, statistics or reason can get through to you. Therefore I'm done with this conversation with you.

Proven wrong?

Cammalleri makes 6m - he put up 82 points the year before this contract
O'Reilly makes 5m - Brings far more to the game than Grabo
Stastny makes 6.5m - Overpaid
Horcoff makes 5.5m - Overpaid
Hemsky makes 5m - Far more productive than Grabo when he signed his deal
Koivu makes 6.75m - Brings far more to the game than Grabo. Team Captain, leader, PKer, PF.
Burns makes 5.75m (hasn't hit 50 points) - As in Brent Burns, the defenseman?
Kesler makes 5m - Far more productive than Grabo when he signed his deal
Semin makes 7m(although this year he had 44) - Produces far more than Grabo. Dumb comparison
Ruutu makes 4.75m - Brings far more than point production to his team
Gionta makes 5m - Comparable, but he's worth the price to MTL.
Plekanec makes 5m (but did reach 70 but only once) - Signed this following the 70 point year
Zajac makes 4.75m - dumb contract
Hartnell makes 4.75m - Brings far more than point production to his team
Malone makes 4.5m - Overpaid
Laich makes 4.5m - Overpaid
Erat makes 4.5m - Comparable

There's no right or wrong here. You can throw out stats all you want, but there is regret behind most of those deals. If not signed for points, there's other aspects of the game that the player excels in.

Grabovski was signed to score. He didn't score. Leafs need as much cap room as possible. Bought out.

 

[Razz]

It is, and you know it.

He was badly outplayed by Kadri, Bozak and McClement. It's all on him. He forced Carlyle's hand.

I watched every game this year and that's how I see it as well. Grabo was our worst Center this year.

Kadri and Bozak provided better offense, McClement was better defensively and matched the offensive production.

There's not a single thing that Grabo did better than any other Center we had. When you look at the Salary it looks even worse.

If Kadri would have busted, Grabo would still be a Leaf.

Grabo had the least number of points, worst +/-, worst shooting % and the 3rd worst Faceoff % (the only minor exception).

He was terrible in every way last year.

 

[Patty Lee]

He was bought out because he makes too much money. He took it far more personally than he should have.

I'm more worked up over a high percentage of Leafs fans who don't understand WHY he was bought out.



Most of those cited players signed after very good seasons and are now overpaid. You also included a defenseman, for some reason.

Grabo's contract was dumb and because of that, he was bought out. Simple as that.

no, you are worked up over what he said, otherwise you wouldn't be calling him a baby and telling him to keep his mouth shut.

and you are the one taking it too personally. he is directly involved you are just a by stander.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

Randy Carlyle had virtually no influence on Grabo's bad play this year.

 

[SportsProsperity]

Are leafs fans forgetting the past. Grabosvki has been one of our best players for the past few years. He is obviously not going to score if he is playing on the 3rd line. Caryle put him in a bad spot and I don't blame Grabovski one bit.

 

[Stephen]

Shut down center is not a role for the 'demoted' Stephen, Grabovski was given his role because out of him, Bozak, and Kadri he was the one Carlyle thought could get the job done.

Of all centers in the Nhl, over the last 3 seasons, Grabovski is ranked 15th in goal scoring. Does that sound 'inept' to you Stephen? He was 11th going into this season. Bozak? 46th, with PPG wingers, plum zone starts and PP time. Inept.

The position of a shutdown center is important, but Grabovski was thrown into a cannon fodder role because he was otherwise useless. If he was trusted with such an important task, why did Grabovski take it like a demotion and whine about not having the coach's support then, CorsiBoy?

 

[Joey Hoser]

What does the size of the circle represent?

 

[Stephen]

What does the size of the circle represent?

How much the coach loves Grabo.

 

[Kyle Doobas*]

How much the coach loves Grabo.

It's Relative Corsi

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

Are leafs fans forgetting the past. Grabosvki has been one of our best players for the past few years. He is obviously not going to score if he is playing on the 3rd line. Caryle put him in a bad spot and I don't blame Grabovski one bit.

Agreed. I see why Leaf fans are the joke of HF. Few leaf posters can objectively watch hockey