grabo and kule

[Deadweight]

Islanders fan coming in peace. Always liked the leafs and I remember these two being great together. Just curious what you all may think of tje reunion of the two players on the isles second line (most likely paired with strome) thanks for the imput guys

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[Joey Hoser]

Not sure if having those two guys on your second line is the formula for a winner, but they should be able to produce and not look out of place given the opportunity.

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

Good possession guys who will put up around 50 points under the right circumstances.

 

[thewave]

You're paying 1m per 10pts, good possession stats. Good Corsi. Good move overall, you paid 0 assets for two 2nd liners.

 

[Ace88*]

Expect 25-25 out of Grabo while driving possession and 15-20g, 20a out of Kulemin while probably being your best defensive forwards after Nielsen. I'm rooting for them, i really am. So stupid we don't have both anymore.

 

[SprDaVE]

Probably what they were doing in 2012-2013... not much.

But with that said, I see Grabovski probably putting around 45 to 50 points and Kulemin around 25 to 30 points.

 

[-DeMo-]

if these two are in your top 6 I doubt playoffs are in your future.

 

[p.l.f.]

they would make a decent 3rd line to kill penalties
thats way too much money spent on them
neither are reliable as top 6 forwards - esp kulemin - he's really slowing down
grabovski still has wheels - but plays like a chicken with his head cut off alot

 

[-DeMo-]

Expect 25-25 out of Grabo while driving possession and 15-20g, 20a out of Kulemin while probably being your best defensive forwards after Nielsen. I'm rooting for them, i really am. So stupid we don't have both anymore.

problem wasn't letting them go imo, it was that we gave both up who once produced like top 6 players for nothing.

 

[Diatomic]

Their good players, half of this board is a grabo hater and the other half aren't so your going to get alot of mixed reviews. The best review I can tell you is that you'll like them and they'll do well.

 

[thewave]

problem wasn't letting them go imo, it was that we gave both up who once produced like top 6 players for nothing.

Grabo is top 6, Kules Is questionable.

 

[kennymoney]

expect about 75pts combined. Grabo's possession numbers are a little inflated as he tends to hang on to the puck for a bit too long. Love Kuli but don't expect much production from the guy. VERY nice defensive forward though.

Little bit of an overpayment for two nice, yet frustrating, players. Enjoy them!

 

[buttman*]

Islanders fan coming in peace. Always liked the leafs and I remember these two being great together. Just curious what you all may think of tje reunion of the two players on the isles second line (most likely paired with strome) thanks for the imput guys

Grabo is an excellent skater and plays well in open ice. He is weak in the corners and generally get out-muscled in tight corners. He has a good shot and can snipe. He wasn't given much time on the PP here and I think that is generally because his hands in tight and in the corners are not that good. He also struggles to get to the net.

Kule, well when he scored 30 was quick, strong and let the puck go with authority. He's strong enough to knock over opponents but not physical. Both him and Grabo would struggle against tougher teams. The past two years, and this year Kule has looked like a shell of his former self -- he does nothing with authority and looked like he was playing out the string. Maybe he will play harder in NY but I question his character. He got credit for being a great defensive forward but I wouldn't go that far since he was unrelieable in the last minute. That said, he isn't a liability.

Overall, both have talent, but neither has the will to win enough to make a difference.

 

[7even]

expect about 75pts combined. Grabo's possession numbers are a little inflated as he tends to hang on to the puck for a bit too long. Love Kuli but don't expect much production from the guy. VERY nice defensive forward though.

Little bit of an overpayment for two nice, yet frustrating, players. Enjoy them!

Hanging onto the puck too long would deflate your possession numbers.

 

[-DeMo-]

Grabo is top 6, Kules Is questionable.

has never been on a playoff team as a top 6 player to date, and he might be as a winger but not as a #2 center

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Well honestly

I see this as a 9 million signing with 2 players that combined may bring anywhere from 35-55 goals. For free agency I think that it is quite a fair signing and hope the Isles make the playoffs with these additions.

Also Kulemin is an amazing shutdown winger, however if put in this role expect few points

 

[Pholus]

Grabo is an excellent skater and plays well in open ice. He is weak in the corners and generally get out-muscled in tight corners. He has a good shot and can snipe. He wasn't given much time on the PP here and I think that is generally because his hands in tight and in the corners are not that good. He also struggles to get to the net.

Kule, well when he scored 30 was quick, strong and let the puck go with authority. He's strong enough to knock over opponents but not physical. Both him and Grabo would struggle against tougher teams. The past two years, and this year Kule has looked like a shell of his former self -- he does nothing with authority and looked like he was playing out the string. Maybe he will play harder in NY but I question his character. He got credit for being a great defensive forward but I wouldn't go that far since he was unrelieable in the last minute. That said, he isn't a liability.

Overall, both have talent, but neither has the will to win enough to make a difference.

Even this past season he still showed that he has a decent shot, just wouldn't use it enough to produce much offence for whatever reason.

 

[Kelly]

Grabovski will become a fan fav..

Some of my fav Grabo moments...





As for Kulemin- He'll be a rock defensively for you guys, is solid on his skates, and has a great shot. But he'll always leave you wanting more offensively... He scores his career high with Grabovski, so who knows, maybe they'll find some of that lost chemistry this year.

 

[Tak7]

You'll like both of them.

Good, hard working guys, strong on possession.

Grabo will add the offense, while Kulie will bring a strong 2-way game with minimal fuss and is a low maintenance guy who just goes about his business the right way

 

[Ace88*]

expect about 75pts combined. Grabo's possession numbers are a little inflated as he tends to hang on to the puck for a bit too long. Love Kuli but don't expect much production from the guy. VERY nice defensive forward though.

Little bit of an overpayment for two nice, yet frustrating, players. Enjoy them!

that's what possession is...

 

[Ace88*]

has never been on a playoff team as a top 6 player to date, and he might be as a winger but not as a #2 center

i guess olli jokinen was never a top 6 forward either right


gimme a break people, some of the stuff being said about these guys is just silly and ridiculous. Kulemin isn't good defensively because he made a mistake in the last minute of a game? What?

 

[Kessley Snipes*]

expect about 75pts combined. Grabo's possession numbers are a little inflated as he tends to hang on to the puck for a bit too long. Love Kuli but don't expect much production from the guy. VERY nice defensive forward though.

Little bit of an overpayment for two nice, yet frustrating, players. Enjoy them!

This is my new favourite quote.

 

[pheasant]

I honestly think you'll get more out of them together than anyone would have if they were playing apart. They clicked really well together, and I think it's because of the off-ice friendship. And Grabo's always-carry-the-puck style matches Kuemin's preference to let others take the lead outside o the D zone.

That said, Kulemin is a bit of a mystery to me. I just can't tell what went wrong with his offensive game. It was like he suddenly didn't trust himself to shoot the puck. The decline was sudden and steep. Some have mentioned the Lokomotiv plane crash really shook him up. But, no matter what, you still have a guy that knows how to battle in the corners, and never seems to get tired at the end of a shift/game/or season.

Neither of them are leaders, or scoring machines. But they aren't quitters or lazy either.

At one point, it was the Leafs plan to have these guys anchor the 2nd line. It should be fun to see if that plan ever could have worked.

 

[hockeyfanz*]

if these two are in your top 6 I doubt playoffs are in your future.

I agree...although both players are decent enough. Always like both players work ethics and heart. From a money perspective..both are overpaid. Neither is a top 6 forward IMO although the argument can be made for Grabovski.

#2 Center on a bubble team but not on a contender. Kulemin is a solid 3rd or 4th line defensive specialist.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Islanders fan coming in peace. Always liked the leafs and I remember these two being great together. Just curious what you all may think of tje reunion of the two players on the isles second line (most likely paired with strome) thanks for the imput guys

Kulemin is an unsung guy, expect 15-20 goals by him, and strong 2 way play. He is not a 30 goal guy, so his contract is a bit on the overpaid side. But he is a guy that is some quality if you accept his limitations.

Grabovski is a smallish player that will aways leave you asking why he only averages 48 points per season as a pro.

He has good skills for a small guy, but his hockey IQ leaves him struggling to use his teammates to the elite level. His career high in assists is only 29, so don't expect him to make his teammates better. He will either make you happy or he will leave you wanting to tear your hair out. He had a Love/hate relationship on this board.