Google update could 'destroy' ad-blocking

[John Price]

Google update could 'destroy' ad-blocking

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[John Price]

what are your thoughts on Chrome making ads mandatory @OmniCube

 

[Hammettf2b]

I would stop using chrome if that happened

 

[LarryFisherman]

Their idea is to depreciate the

webRequest

API and in its place deploy a new

declarativeNetRequest

API.

Basically, adblock/uorigin et al would use the

webRequest

API to intercept incoming traffic and block it before it ever had a chance to load in your browser. This is why some pages (especially ad heavy ones) will load slower when you have an adblocker enabled. While they're not removing the

webRequest

API, they are demoting it to "read-only", so there's not chance these adblockers can intervene and make the necessary changes anymore.

IIRC, the

declarativeNetRequest

API will allow for some modification (up to 30k requests I believe) which means that you'd get some functionality out of blockers, should they choose to update them to the correct calls. But, you'll hit 30k requests pretty quick and it won't do a lot for your overall experience. It's not a lot of room in aggregate.

This is all to speed up the browser and browsing experience, which is a noble effort. Frankly, as Google is the largest ad driver on the Internet (I think), I'm surprised they haven't tried to do something similar.

If Manifest V3 is adopted (none of this is set in stone yet), then it's probably time to look at alternatives. I'm not sure if this will affect Chromium, for instance (though I'm not up to speed on how that's built - I thought Chrome was built on the back of Chromium).

I've been testing out some firefox deployments since I heard of this a few weeks back, and frankly it's good, but it bends over my CPU. It can barely run on my macbook pro. It will routinely eat up 25-30% of my cpu headroom on my Ryzen 1700x, which is no small feat. I don't know what the f*** they're doing in the background. Fiddler goes absolutely bananas when I'm using it.

Opera maybe? I'll have to do some research on Chromium.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Their idea is to depreciate the

webRequest

API and in its place deploy a new

declarativeNetRequest

API.

Basically, adblock/uorigin et al would use the

webRequest

API to intercept incoming traffic and block it before it ever had a chance to load in your browser. This is why some pages (especially ad heavy ones) will load slower when you have an adblocker enabled. While they're not removing the

webRequest

API, they are demoting it to "read-only", so there's not chance these adblockers can intervene and make the necessary changes anymore.

IIRC, the

declarativeNetRequest

API will allow for some modification (up to 30k requests I believe) which means that you'd get some functionality out of blockers, should they choose to update them to the correct calls. But, you'll hit 30k requests pretty quick and it won't do a lot for your overall experience. It's not a lot of room in aggregate.

This is all to speed up the browser and browsing experience, which is a noble effort. Frankly, as Google is the largest ad driver on the Internet (I think), I'm surprised they haven't tried to do something similar.

If Manifest V3 is adopted (none of this is set in stone yet), then it's probably time to look at alternatives. I'm not sure if this will affect Chromium, for instance (though I'm not up to speed on how that's built - I thought Chrome was built on the back of Chromium).

I've been testing out some firefox deployments since I heard of this a few weeks back, and frankly it's good, but it bends over my CPU. It can barely run on my macbook pro. It will routinely eat up 25-30% of my cpu headroom on my Ryzen 1700x, which is no small feat. I don't know what the **** they're doing in the background. Fiddler goes absolutely bananas when I'm using it.

Opera maybe? I'll have to do some research on Chromium.

nerd

 

[LarryFisherman]

man, the lack of inline code formatting is pretty f***ing terrible

@Buffaloed - pretty please?

See: Slack

 

[John Price]

Their idea is to depreciate the

webRequest

API and in its place deploy a new

declarativeNetRequest

API.

Basically, adblock/uorigin et al would use the

webRequest

API to intercept incoming traffic and block it before it ever had a chance to load in your browser. This is why some pages (especially ad heavy ones) will load slower when you have an adblocker enabled. While they're not removing the

webRequest

API, they are demoting it to "read-only", so there's not chance these adblockers can intervene and make the necessary changes anymore.

IIRC, the

declarativeNetRequest

API will allow for some modification (up to 30k requests I believe) which means that you'd get some functionality out of blockers, should they choose to update them to the correct calls. But, you'll hit 30k requests pretty quick and it won't do a lot for your overall experience. It's not a lot of room in aggregate.

This is all to speed up the browser and browsing experience, which is a noble effort. Frankly, as Google is the largest ad driver on the Internet (I think), I'm surprised they haven't tried to do something similar.

If Manifest V3 is adopted (none of this is set in stone yet), then it's probably time to look at alternatives. I'm not sure if this will affect Chromium, for instance (though I'm not up to speed on how that's built - I thought Chrome was built on the back of Chromium).

I've been testing out some firefox deployments since I heard of this a few weeks back, and frankly it's good, but it bends over my CPU. It can barely run on my macbook pro. It will routinely eat up 25-30% of my cpu headroom on my Ryzen 1700x, which is no small feat. I don't know what the **** they're doing in the background. Fiddler goes absolutely bananas when I'm using it.

Opera maybe? I'll have to do some research on Chromium.

Brave is pretty good as well as DuckDuckGo.

 

[LarryFisherman]

Brave is pretty good as well as DuckDuckGo.

isn't duckduck just a search engine?

 

[John Price]

Have you tried Firefox Quantum @StanGetz ? It runs pretty fast.

isn't duckduck just a search engine?

It's a browser extension for Chrome on PC, but a mobile browser. I installed it today on my phone and I can surf HF on it without problem.

 

[LarryFisherman]

Have you tried Firefox Quantum @StanGetz ? It runs pretty fast.

did you read any of my post above?

or did the formatting give you cancer?

 

[John Price]

did you read any of my post above?

or did the formatting give you cancer?

I read it. Quantum is apparently faster, are you using that?

Use Brave definitely. It already has ad-blocking built in. (Ugh damn it. I installed Brave and it's based on Chromium!)

 

[LarryFisherman]

this is what firefox does to my macbook. This is just me scrolling through mozilla's bug repository.

 

[member 157595]

what are your thoughts on Chrome making ads mandatory @OmniCube

My brother-in-law was a classmate of the founder of Firefox. True story. Maybe he can ask him why it consumes resources as if it's the f***ing Unreal Engine.

As Stan said above, if this update is deployed I will look at other browsers.

 

[John Price]

Okay, Brave is decent but shows you wallpaper pictures every time you start the browser or open a new tab which is dumb IMO.

Opera is run by the Chinese

So IF this goes down there really isn't any backup for me to go BUT Firefox...Not that I have any problems with Firefox Quantum. But there are slim pickings out there.

 

[LarryFisherman]

Okay, Brave is decent but shows you wallpaper pictures every time you start the browser or open a new tab which is dumb IMO.

Opera is run by the Chinese

So IF this goes down there really isn't any backup for me to go BUT Firefox...Not that I have any problems with Firefox Quantum. But there are slim pickings out there.

So to clarify, because I'm not totally up to date and too lazy to dive in - will Chromium also be affected? @OmniCube?

My gut says this portion does not make it to the final manifest. I think the blow-back will be too strong. Initial feedback is pretty poor for google.

 

[Legionnaire]

"Don't be evil"

 

[John Price]

So to clarify, because I'm not totally up to date and too lazy to dive in - will Chromium also be affected? @OmniCube?

My gut says this portion does not make it to the final manifest. I think the blow-back will be too strong. Initial feedback is pretty poor for google.

Apparently Chromium-based browsers will be allowed to pick and choose what they want to put in. So if Chromium decides to pull this shit then other browsers can say they want no part. At least for Brave.

 

[H3ckt1k]

I would stop using chrome if that happened

imagine using chrome and not firefox

 

[Hammettf2b]

imagine using chrome and not firefox

Did you not see Stans post? Why would you want that??? Noob

 

[LarryFisherman]

imagine using chrome and not firefox

lmao imagine being so computer illiterate that you don't notice 97% CPU usage when scrolling through a god damn repository.

 

[Jiminy Cricket]

Imagine Liderally Karing Wat Happen`s On the On-line Wen U Could Literally Jus`t B Pumpin`g Iron `n` Iruman Literally in the Jim, Or U Could Literally Go Out`Side `n` Collectin`g the SunLite `n` Literally Gettin`g Tanner `n` Tanner `n` Vitamin D Ray`s, Rather Than Werrying About What Happen`s On-Line.

 

[H3ckt1k]

lmao imagine being so computer illiterate that you don't notice 97% CPU usage when scrolling through a god damn repository.

You imagine it

 

[Sega Dreamcast]

imagine using chrome and not firefox

Imagine using either of those and not Vivaldi.

 

[member 157595]

So to clarify, because I'm not totally up to date and too lazy to dive in - will Chromium also be affected? @OmniCube?

My gut says this portion does not make it to the final manifest. I think the blow-back will be too strong. Initial feedback is pretty poor for google.

I don't know, this is not my area of expertise. Right now my areas of expertise are ninja diaper changes and looking like a meth addict due to lack of sleep.

 

[Oogie Boogie]

I use Opera anyways.