Post-Game Talk: [GM7] Canucks defeat Blues | 5-0 (Hughes (2), Di Giuseppe, Miller, & Mikheyev) | Return of the PGT!

[EpochLink]

Games like this make me miss living in Vancouver - I'd be buying tickets to tonights game so fast after yesterday. It's been way too long since the team has been this exciting to watch.

Where are ya now?

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Just going to throw it out there, I didn't hate Myers' game last night. That breakaway pass was solid. If he is kept to reasonable minutes he can be a net neutral and maybe sometimes a positive.

 

[Canucker]

Just going to throw it out there, I didn't hate Myers' game last night. That breakaway pass was solid. If he is kept to reasonable minutes he can be a net neutral and maybe sometimes a positive.

He wasn't terrible last night, but if they keep deploying him on the PK, it will end up costing them.

 

[Breakers]

Yes - in other words we have been incredibly lucky.

That didn’t include the last 2 games
Which have been great

Vancouver was solid agaibst Edmonton then got outshot pretty bad for like 4 games like surrendering periods with 15+ shots.

Then have been very good for 2 games in a row

So we’ll see at the 20 game mark, as I’m curious if we improve in the next 12 games.
Underlying numbers for any team are fluctuating because the sample is so small right now.

 

[VanJack]

That game could easily have been 8 or even 9-0. Binnington was both good, and lucky at times.

That might have been one of the most listless performances by a road-team at Rogers Arena in a long time. Total domination in the first period--outshot 19-3.

Sportsnet color man Dave Tomlinson speculated that back-to-backs early in season are a killer for the players, who are still adjusting to playing two games in 24 hours. I guess he's speaking from playing experience.

But it's good the Canucks rested some of their best players in the third period. Because they're facing their own 'back-to-back' this evening against a very tough opponent.

 

[tradervik]

Stats from a 6 game sample size are meaningless

 

[Ernie]

It’s too early to tell anything.

2 games ago they were 31st in Corsi and now they’re 16th.

They’re rocking a high PDO but that’s based mostly on 2 blowouts.

The performances in games 2-3 vs. games 6-7 are so different, who really knows where things will go.

Score effects and being on the road are a big factor as well. If you adjust for that the Canucks look somewhat better.

That said, we shouldn't expect to see the Canucks outscoring the opposition 2:1 at 5v5 moving forward. They have definitely been lucky.

 

[m9]

I don't really care about the charts/analytics/etc with it being so early. I will say that this is a 5-2 team that is playing like a 5-2 team so there's definitely some confidence there that it's somewhat sustainable for them to play winning hockey.

 

[Nucker101]

Even as a sceptic of this roster I have to agree that xgf needs a bigger sample size than 6 or 7 games.

 

[MS]

Score effects and being on the road are a big factor as well. If you adjust for that the Canucks look somewhat better.

That said, we shouldn't expect to see the Canucks outscoring the opposition 2:1 at 5v5 moving forward. They have definitely been lucky.

For sure.

Although most of our luck was also in that Edmonton game which we deserved to win but really shouldn’t have been 8-1. Terrible goaltending and some very lucky breaks.

Remove that game or turn it to 4-1 and we’re statistically a lot less lucky while still holding the same record.

 

[Ernie]

For sure.

Although most of our luck was also in that Edmonton game which we deserved to win but really shouldn’t have been 8-1. Terrible goaltending and some very lucky breaks.

Remove that game or turn it to 4-1 and we’re statistically a lot less lucky while still holding the same record.

Oh for sure. For instance, last night the Blues were throwing everything on the net after the 1st period, with very few actually scoring chances. They managed to get closer with the "possession" metrics without actually being much of a threat to actually score.

I sometimes wonder whether the advanced stats are affecting how teams play in these situations. Teams seem focussed on piling up low percentage plays to make the game appear closer than it actually is. Shots directed from the outside with the goalie having a clear view of the puck count as a scoring opportunity in the advanced stats report when they really aren't.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

Myers got over 17 minutes last night due to the score so Tocchet could keep his top Dmen's icetime down since it's btb games. Glad that didn't cost Demmer the SO

 

[MS]

Oh for sure. For instance, last night the Blues were throwing everything on the net after the 1st period, with very few actually scoring chances. They managed to get closer with the "possession" metrics without actually being much of a threat to actually score.

I sometimes wonder whether the advanced stats are affecting how teams play in these situations. Teams seem focussed on piling up low percentage plays to make the game appear closer than it actually is. Shots directed from the outside with the goalie having a clear view of the puck count as a scoring opportunity in the advanced stats report when they really aren't.

Yeah, last night also in addition to regular score effects we also slashed the icetime of our key players in the 3rd and some of the sloppiness and extra chances we saw late was the direct result result of that.

 

[Diversification]

Myers got over 17 minutes last night due to the score so Tocchet could keep his top Dmen's icetime down since it's btb games. Glad that didn't cost Demmer the SO

He was actually okay last night. Not great by any means, but he played a fairly efficient and tidy game in his own end. No weird skating routes or too many overtly bad passes. He just sort of poked the puck into a decent position for his teammate to skate onto it and continued to read the play. Simple Myers is a passable 3rd pairing option.

 

[VanJack]

Tocchet is pretty shrewd in terms of management players' minutes---which will pay off over a long season.

Hughes was one the ice for only 19 minutes and almost shut down in the third period. And Hronek had his minutes reduced as well. And he's alternating goalies to keep Demko healthy to start 40-50 games, instead of his usual 60-plus.

Hopefully starts to pay off tonight against a Rangers team that's as hot as they are.

 

[bossram]

Again, another strong game in the area that needed improvement - reducing shots/chances against.

STL didn't get a ton in their rush game. 3rd period was sloppier, but chalk it up to score effects at that point.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Again, another strong game in the area that needed improvement - reducing shots/chances against.

STL didn't get a ton in their rush game. 3rd period was sloppier, but chalk it up to score effects at that point.

Also Hughes and Hronek playing 2 and 3 ES shifts in the third, respectively.

Savvy move by Tocchet.

Tocchet might be the first coach we've had since Vigneault who manages ice-time not-insanely.

 

[bossram]

Also Hughes and Hronek playing 2 and 3 ES shifts in the third, respectively.

Savvy move by Tocchet.

Tocchet might be the first coach we've had since Vigneault who manages ice-time not-insanely.

I mean, sitting your star players in a blowout is pretty standard.

Not to discredit Tocchet, he's been pushing the right buttons. But resting Hughes in a 5-0 game is pretty normal for any coach.

 

[Jay26]

In rare cases you might have the GDT thread starter on ignore so that might make it invisible to you.


A reply I'll never receive.

Smartphone autocorrect, on the other hand, is not so useful.

 

[Jay26]

Oh for sure. For instance, last night the Blues were throwing everything on the net after the 1st period, with very few actually scoring chances. They managed to get closer with the "possession" metrics without actually being much of a threat to actually score.

I sometimes wonder whether the advanced stats are affecting how teams play in these situations. Teams seem focussed on piling up low percentage plays to make the game appear closer than it actually is. Shots directed from the outside with the goalie having a clear view of the puck count as a scoring opportunity in the advanced stats report when they really aren't.

This is exactly why I've never bought the Carolina Hurricanes.

 

[RobsonStreet]

Stats from a 6 game sample size are meaningless

I’ll go one step further - at around the 10 game mark, xG is no better than G at predicting actual or expected goals over the remainder of the season. Bear this in mind if you’re getting your analytics analysis from a graphic designer.

 

[arttk]

Also Hughes and Hronek playing 2 and 3 ES shifts in the third, respectively.

Savvy move by Tocchet.

Tocchet might be the first coach we've had since Vigneault who manages ice-time not-insanely.

You don’t like 1-2-3-4!?

 

[Bankerguy]

I was at the bar when the game was on and wasnt sure if Demko made this save or not but does anyone remember when the puck went across east to west and he stretched his right leg out ..was that a toe save? or post? or did the shooter just miss the net?

 

[tradervik]

I’ll go one step further - at around the 10 game mark, xG is no better than G at predicting actual or expected goals over the remainder of the season. Bear this in mind if you’re getting your analytics analysis from a graphic designer.

Do you have stats to back that up?

;-)

 

[Shareefruck]

Walsh making sure the world knows his client is playing well

That quip totally doesn't work if you specify "on the blueline."