Post-Game Talk: [GM 70] Canucks lose to Golden Knights | 3-4 | Miller(2) & Di Giuseppe

[God]

He has been much better since the trade deadline. Am I wrong about that?

I think he was okay against Dallas? And basically either "fine" or the same disengaged slug we've watched for the last 3 years.

I really want him to get back on track but he's the number one player in the league needing a change of scenery aside from every top Rangers prospect.

 

[Diogenes92]

Boeser likely comes back next year worth his contract.

He has 8 more points than Garland in 7 less games.

Even in a down year for him, which I think has a lot to do with the constant distraction of being trade the entire time.

He has shown that he has value. Patience is needed with him. It wasn't that long ago that he was one of our best players (Canadian Division?).

I think he was okay against Dallas? And basically either "fine" or the same disengaged slug we've watched for the last 3 years.

I really want him to get back on track but he's the number one player in the league needing a change of scenery aside from every top Rangers prospect.

I just don't see the value in taking back negative value for him. He only has 2 years left on his deal.

 

[Canuck16]

how much do you think our odds have gone down since the win streak

I think the best draft % we had this season is 4th last at 9.5%.
I remember being 5th last for sure.. 8.5%

If the draft was today, we would have a 6% chance at landing Bedard (8th last) .

 

[Josepho]

I think the best draft % we had this season is 4th last at 9.5%.
I remember being 5th last for sure.. 8.5%

If the draft was today, we would have a 6% chance at landing Bedard (8th last) .

Correct. I think it's perfectly fair game to be upset about our seeding being ruined a bit but the odds have barely changed at all and there's this idea that we've completely destroyed them when our odds were gonna be complete dogshit regardless.

 

[sting101]

Another 29-minute night for Hughes.....Why? Would serve the Canucks right if he goes down with an injury.

 

[48MPHSlapShot]

 

[Diogenes92]

So Kuzmenko was benched?? Tocchet is too hard on him.

Tochett is delusional.

He talks about wanting to get the young guys some playing time and experience, but the last handful of games he has been deploying the roster as if they're in a desperate fight for a wildcard spot.

Kuzmenko has single-handedly won the team games multiple times this season, but he us clearly an early candidate as a Tochett whipping-boy. His elite offensive ability outweighs him being a defensive liability, imo.

 

[logan5]

Another 2 point night for Hughes vaults him past Dougie Hamilton for 3rd in defensemen scoring. He's only 2 points behind Josh Morrissey now.

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[sting101]

Boeser's been trending up since the new year you boobs.

 

[Canuck16]

Correct. I think it's perfectly fair game to be upset about our seeding being ruined a bit but the odds have barely changed at all and there's this idea that we've completely destroyed them when our odds were gonna be complete dogshit regardless.

The bottom 4 teams all have a 10% chance or higher. That's the sweet spot. We definitely moved out of that zone with our so called winning streak. I think we all just want a chance at the phenom Bedard.
The way this team decides to win (especially when Demko is on) it looked like the team was going to go 18-2 in the last 20 and take us completely out.

WHo knows?! Good Karma for playing the right way. We shall see where we land...

 

[Nucker101]

Boeser's been trending up since the new year you boobs.

 

[Canuck16]

Tochett is delusional.

He talks about wanting to get the young guys some playing time and experience, but the last handful of games he has been deploying the roster as if they're in a desperate fight for a wildcard spot.

Kuzmenko has single-handedly won the team games multiple times this season, but he us clearly an early candidate as a Tochett whipping-boy. His elite offensive ability outweighs him being a defensive liability, imo.

That's more than 1 occasion now with Kuz. It's not a Russian thing because Canucks immediately called up Podz and then acquired Krav and Tocchet has been deploying them with regularity.

I'm honestly baffled why Tocchet benched him before and today.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That's more than 1 occasion now with Kuz. It's not a Russian thing because Canucks immediately called up Podz and then acquired Krav and Tocchet has been deploying them with regularity.

I'm honestly baffled why Tocchet benched him before and today.

Boudreau healthy scratched Kuz earlier in the year..mainly because Kuz was a no-show two games in a row..It was well deserved.

Maybe Tocchet felt Kuz was a no show tonight.?

Anyway, I'm sure Kuz will be back in on Thursday..Message sent.

 

[Diogenes92]

That's more than 1 occasion now with Kuz. It's not a Russian thing because Canucks immediately called up Podz and then acquired Krav and Tocchet has been deploying them with regularity.

I'm honestly baffled why Tocchet benched him before and today.

Take a look at Podz and Kravtovs minutes the last 8 games or so and you'll realize he isn't playing much at all.

 

[arttk]

Boeser's been trending up since the new year you boobs.

58008

 

[Josepho]

Even if Boeser has played way better lately I can't see him getting his shot back and I just can't see how this is a good investment of 6.5 mil for the team regardless.

 

[Diogenes92]

Even if Boeser has played way better lately I can't see him getting his shot back and I just can't see how this is a good investment of 6.5 mil for the team regardless.

Garland or Boeser. Who do you get rid of?

 

[orcatown]

This team does not go away easy. Completely dominated the most of second and all of the third and LV was very lucky to get that win. Could say that most of this is based on the play of the Big Three (Miller , Pettersson and Hughes) but even when they weren't on the they had Vegas totally hemmed in their zone. Can't see the Knights go anywhere with this group. Kings and Oilers would kill them if they play like this.

Good

Miller - I doubt there has been (outside of McDavid) a better player over the last few weeks in the League. Easily back in the ninety point range if playing like this throughout the season.

Pettersson - not as strong as some games but two way game remains high level

Hughes - another tremendous game. Controls the play as well as any defensemen in the League at the present time. Leaving good NHL players in his contrails as they grope to contain him. Ever gets a high end shot and he might be a 100 point player.

Di Guiseppe - forecheck was a big factor in making his line dangerous. Keeps himself solidly in the play every shift and just isn't making any errors. Miller is obviously carrying the line but DG is being a good complementary piece. Boeser showing a little better and is at least getting the puck and himself going to the net.

Not Good

Burroughs - wasn't supposed to be in this game and that may have hurt his play. Just fell out of the flow and didn't move the puck quick enough. Screw up with Boeser was very poor

Bear - playing a little out of control. Made the early mistake and then pressed to to compensate for it. Face mask isn't helping his play. To me, he'd be coming out if Hronek plays. If you want to pick up someone like Gravrikov trading Bear's rights may be the right move.

Kuzmenko - wasn't keeping up with the play in the mid-ice area or in his zone. Schedule might catch up with him.

Others

Kravtsov -little better. Came close at times which means he is starting to get chances.

Demko - held the team in the first and allowed the team to make a game of it but also let in a critical goal he should have had.

At some point Tocchet is going to have to stop over-playing people like Hughes and let others show what they have. Important decisions have to made looking to next year and letting others have a look could be in important in that process.

 

[Josepho]

Garland or Boeser. Who do you get rid of?

Assuming I can get rid of them for the exact same return without retaining salary? Boeser. Garland is cheaper, and I think his quickness lends itself to multiple roles in the lineup while Boeser seems like a top 6 or bust kind of player.

I don't even really consider Garland to be some negative value asset, more of a 0 value asset.

 

[sting101]

Garland or Boeser. Who do you get rid of?

Garland.... for me

 

[Canuck16]

Take a look at Podz and Kravtovs minutes the last 8 games or so and you'll realize he isn't playing much at all.

I see both 91 & 92 averaging about 10 -11 minutes per game.. That is somewhere between 3rd and 4th line minutes. I think is pretty reasonable minutes for a guy who was demoted to Abbotsford and a NYR castaway.

 

[Josepho]

I'd be very curious to know what Podkolzin's trade value is.

 

[canuckking1]

I'd be very curious to know what Podkolzin's trade value is.

If canucks could get an offer that's equivalent to a 1st round pick in value they should move him.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

This team does not go away easy. Completely dominated the most of second and all of the third and LV was very lucky to get that win. Could say that most of this is based on the play of the Big Three (Miller , Pettersson and Hughes) but even when they weren't on the they had Vegas totally hemmed in their zone. Can't see the Knights go anywhere with this group. Kings and Oilers would kill them if they play like this.

Good

Miller - I doubt there has been (outside of McDavid) a better player over the last few weeks in the League. Easily back in the ninety point range if playing like this throughout the season.

Pettersson - not as strong as some games but two way game remains high level

Hughes - another tremendous game. Controls the play as well as any defensemen in the League at the present time. Leaving good NHL players in his contrails as they grope to contain him. Ever gets a high end shot and he might be a 100 point player.

Di Guiseppe - forecheck was a big factor in making his line dangerous. Keeps himself solidly in the play every shift and just isn't making any errors. Miller is obviously carrying the line but DG is being a good complementary piece. Boeser showing a little better and is at least getting the puck and himself going to the net.

Not Good

Burroughs - wasn't supposed to be in this game and that may have hurt his play. Just fell out of the flow and didn't move the puck quick enough. Screw up with Boeser was very poor

Bear - playing a little out of control. Made the early mistake and then pressed to to compensate for it. Face mask isn't helping his play. To me, he'd be coming out if Hronek plays. If you want to pick up someone like Gravrikov trading Bear's rights may be the right move.

Kuzmenko - wasn't keeping up with the play in the mid-ice area or in his zone. Schedule might catch up with him.

Others

Kravtsov -little better. Came close at times which means he is starting to get chances.

Demko - held the team in the first and allowed the team to make a game of it but also let in a critical goal he should have had.

At some point Tocchet is going to have to stop over-playing people like Hughes and let others show what they have. Important decisions have to made looking to next year and letting others have a look could be in important in that process.

100% agree. I think he is puting management at an disadvantage when evaluating guys like Wolanin, Brisebois for next season. Throw them into deep end and at least see what you have.

 

[Diogenes92]

Assuming I can get rid of them for the exact same return without retaining salary? Boeser. Garland is cheaper, and I think his quickness lends itself to multiple roles in the lineup while Boeser seems like a top 6 or bust kind of player.

I don't even really consider Garland to be some negative value asset, more of a 0 value asset.

I move Garland as he has more term attached and the difference in salary isn't huge. Boeser also has higher upside.