Post-Game Talk: [GM 51] Vancouver Canucks lose to New York Rangers | 3-4 | Garland, Podkolzin, & Pettersson

[Jay26]

Holy shit lol

Man, good for Bo. What a palate cleanser situation that must be. Go from a dysfunctional, depressing, miserable organization and situation to a place where you're making a run for the playoffs, you just signed a massive career contract and your name is being chanted in the stands.

 

[Jay26]

Delia with a .893 has been one of the better goalies in the league this year according to Woodley’s tracking data.

Our defense is so bad lmao

Yep, but on the flip side Martin and Demko are 3rd and 5th worst in the league according to Moneypuck goalie data (GSAE). This is among every single goalie that has played a minute in the NHL too. Not filtered. Only Merzlikins (CBJ) and Kahkonen (SJS) are worse than Martin.

Exactly why I hate the “goaltending is holding this team back” narrative.

Eh, that's just for Delia though. Not saying our D isn't bad obviously, but Martin and Demko are two of the worst goalies in the league this year. Beyond bad. We have a goaltending problem AS WELL AS a defence problem.

 

[Nucker101]

Yep, but on the flip side Martin and Demko are 3rd and 5th worst in the league according to Moneypuck goalie data (GSAE). This is among every single goalie that has played a minute in the NHL too. Not filtered. Only Merzlikins (CBJ) and Kahkonen (SJS) are worse than Martin.


Eh, that's just for Delia though. Not saying our D isn't bad obviously, but Martin and Demko are two of the worst goalies in the league this year. Beyond bad. We have a goaltending problem AS WELL AS a defence problem.

yeah but if Delia at .893 is above average then suddenly their sv%'s don't look as God-awful when viewed through that same lens. Still bad but not "holding this team back from being much better" bad.

 

[Love]

Get Joshua off the Miller line asap

 

[Lat]

Get Joshua off the Miller line asap

?

Joshua has looked fairly decent being pushed up the lineup.

 

[geebster]

Exactly why I hate the “goaltending is holding this team back” narrative.

It isn't holding us back, BUT this team and it's fans are so used to the team playing no defense and getting bailed out by elite goaltending that having normal goaltending comes as a shock.

There is a stark contrast between our goaltending this year and when Demko was leading the league in 5 on 5 save percent last year. If we had that all year, Bruce probably isn't fired and we probably either scrape in or barely miss and get a garbage pick. Almost a wholly good thing they didnt have it so they can't hide behind team save percent as a reason to not properly address the defensive personnel and system.

 

[Jay26]

yeah but if Delia at .893 is above average then suddenly their sv%'s don't look as God-awful when viewed through that same lens. Still bad but not "holding this team back from being much better" bad.

Well I'm looking at it through the lens of goals saved above expected. The stats within the stats. Basically all save%'s aren't created equal. GSAE shows how goalies are performing individually without taking the players in front of them into account.

How much the goaltending is holding the team back is up for debate, but I would argue they're holding the team back just enough to not completely dismiss the issue like fans usually do with goaltending so often. That's just my personal opinion though. It would be interesting to hear from someone like @mossey3535 about this.

It isn't holding us back, BUT this team and it's fans are so used to the team playing no defense and getting bailed out by elite goaltending that having normal goaltending comes as a shock.

There is a stark contrast between our goaltending this year and when Demko was leading the league in 5 on 5 save percent last year. If we had that all year, Bruce probably isn't fired and we probably either scrape in or barely miss and get a garbage pick. Almost a wholly good thing they didnt have it so they can't hide behind team save percent as a reason to not properly address the defensive personnel and system.

Exactly! I think fans in Vancouver are so used to good goaltending that when the team actually doesn't have it they just point to the D. They don't even know what bad goaltending looks like.

I also agree that it's good that the team doesn't have excellent goaltending to hide the massive flaws with the defence anymore. It all had to be exposed.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Yep, but on the flip side Martin and Demko are 3rd and 5th worst in the league according to Moneypuck goalie data (GSAE). This is among every single goalie that has played a minute in the NHL too. Not filtered. Only Merzlikins (CBJ) and Kahkonen (SJS) are worse than Martin.


Eh, that's just for Delia though. Not saying our D isn't bad obviously, but Martin and Demko are two of the worst goalies in the league this year. Beyond bad. We have a goaltending problem AS WELL AS a defence problem.

Good post.

 

[iceburg]

Get Joshua off the Miller line asap

Moving a guy like Joshua up the line up is one of the ways good teams can ice 4 decent lines, three of which can score. In a cap world you need a couple of guys earning around $1M playing middle 6 minutes. That could be players on elcs or role players that emerge in there mid 20s. Joshua could definitely be one of those guys. He has the tools. As others have said on here, he needs the consistency. If Tocchet wants to find "wall guys", Joshua has that ability plus.

 

[Josepho]

Exactly! I think fans in Vancouver are so used to good goaltending that when the team actually doesn't have it they just point to the D. They don't even know what bad goaltending looks like.

I also agree that it's good that the team doesn't have excellent goaltending to hide the massive flaws with the defence anymore. It all had to be exposed.

I think people have this perception that bad goaltending is someone letting in a bunch of unscreened 40 foot wrists shots, but it's more of a long-run average thing where they can't be allowing every single high danger shot to go in.

A goal conceded is typically a breakdown from both the defence and the goalie, not one or the other.

 

[MS]

I think people have this perception that bad goaltending is someone letting in a bunch of unscreened 40 foot wrists shots, but it's more of a long-run average thing where they can't be allowing every single high danger shot to go in.

A goal conceded is typically a breakdown from both the defence and the goalie, not one or the other.

This has been a thing for years.

I remember Dan Cloutier games where we were dominant and allowed like 5 quality scoring chances in a game and Cloutier let 3 of them in for us to lose 3-2 and fans would be like 'They were tough saves! It's the defense's fault!' and ... no. Good goaltending stops probably 70% or 80% of the difficult chances they face. Stopping the easy 40 footers and letting all the tough shots in is not good goaltending.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

This has been a thing for years.

I remember Dan Cloutier games where we were dominant and allowed like 5 quality scoring chances in a game and Cloutier let 3 of them in for us to lose 3-2 and fans would be like 'They were tough saves! It's the defense's fault!' and ... no. Good goaltending stops probably 70% or 80% of the difficult chances they face. Stopping the easy 40 footers and letting all the tough shots in is not good goaltending.

f***ing Cloutier. Will never forgive him for this:

 

[wonton15]

Man, good for Bo. What a palate cleanser situation that must be. Go from a dysfunctional, depressing, miserable organization and situation to a place where you're making a run for the playoffs, you just signed a massive career contract and your name is being chanted in the stands.

He’s never going to say it but him and his family are 1000% thinking the same thing. It’s a literal 0 to 100 situation in every single aspect and I bet he’s sooo glad he got traded. This organization is a tire fire.

 

[MS]

f***ing Cloutier. Will never forgive him for this:

I could forgive him for that because the team was young and probably not beating Detroit anyway but I'll never forgive him for his performance against Minnesota the following year which single-handedly cost us the series.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Podkolzin in the top six. Attaboy.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Podkolzin in the top six. Attaboy.

Stillman-Myers.

Hooo Boy.

 

[wonton15]

Im in for a Schenn Trouba fight

 

[me2]

Stillman-Myers.

Hooo Boy.

Tocchet learning the hard way

 

[Jay26]

Podkolzin in the top six. Attaboy.

Nice! Glad I'm able to tune into this one. I'll be watching him closely.

 

[me2]

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Weak forwards
Terrible defense
Terrible goaltending

That is a rock solid tank team

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Stillman-Myers.

Hooo Boy.

See how long that pairing stays together..?

 

[Tables of Stats]

Podzilla is climbing up the empire state building while Boeser is finding himself stuck playing between a lot of fish.

 

[rypper]

How'd they get a Mountie in New York?

 

[Vector]

How'd they get a Mountie in New York?

Never saw Due South?

 

[logan5]

It's guaranteed loss night!!