General Discussion (All Team/Player News/UFA Talk) - Offseason edition v1.0

[NJDevs26]

Continue the goalie, er team discussion.

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[JimEIV]

To answer the 500k question...

6 is too close to 10% of the cap and you still need to pay a backup...probably a decent backup when you consider Cory still has never shouldered a full work load.

I'd prefer him closer to 5.

 

[NJDevs26]

To answer the 500k question...

6 is too close to 10% of the cap and you still need to pay a backup...probably a decent backup when you consider Cory still has never shouldered a full work load.

I'd prefer him closer to 5.

They paid $9 million for goalies this year. They paid $6.7 million for goalies with Marty/Hedberg in 2012. It's really not a big deal. Especially with a bunch of ELC's on defense and not one guy making over Volch's salary atm.

 

[SeidoN]

To answer the 500k question...

6 is too close to 10% of the cap and you still need to pay a backup...probably a decent backup when you consider Cory still has never shouldered a full work load.

6 is too close to 10%? ok lets short change the 70+ cap and say its still 63 by 2015. 6M would be 9.5% of the cap. 5M would be 8%. hardly a big difference?

now we know the cap is gonna be 71 next year, and it will be steadily increasing. so by the time Cory's new deal kicks in the cap could be in the mid-high 70s region. at that point 6M is 8% of the cap where 5M would be 6.66. again, a pathetically small difference

 

[JimEIV]

They paid $9 million for goalies this year. They paid $6.7 million for goalies with Marty/Hedberg in 2012. It's really not a big deal. Especially with a bunch of ELC's on defense and not one guy making over Volch's salary atm.

9 is too much also...but it is reasonable only because it was short term and transitional

 

[JimEIV]

6 is too close to 10%? ok lets short change the 70+ cap and say its still 63 by 2015. 6M would be 9.5% of the cap. 5M would be 8%. hardly a big difference?

now we know the cap is gonna be 71 next year, and it will be steadily increasing. so by the time Cory's new deal kicks in the cap could be in the mid-high 70s region. at that point 6M is 8% of the cap where 5M would be 6.66. again, a pathetically small difference

Yes it is a big difference... it can be the difference in a quality player vs having to backfill with AHL players.

You can't count on the cap going up every year

 

[NJDevs26]

9 is too much also...but it is reasonable only because it was short term and transitional

And next year thirteen goalies are going to have a cap hit > $5 million (not including us) and twenty-two goalies are at $2.9 million and above. What's really the difference if you pay an 'average' guy $4 million (Mason's 15th in cap hit next year at 4.1) and his backup $1.5-2 as opposed to paying an above average guy $6 and his backup $1 million. You're talking about basically $1-2 million between those two models.

 

[JimEIV]

And next year thirteen goalies are going to have a cap hit > $5 million (not including us) and twenty-two goalies are at $2.9 million and above. What's really the difference if you pay an 'average' guy $4 million (Mason's 15th in cap hit next year at 4.1) and his backup $1.5-2 as opposed to paying an above average guy $6 and his backup $1 million. You're talking about basically $1-2 million between those two models.

You just asked me what is the difference between 5.5 and 7 million...probably Mark Fayne.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Yes it is a big difference... it can be the difference in a quality player vs having to backfill with AHL players.

You can't count on the cap going up every year

Where is said quality player coming from exactly? A trade? A FA signing? In a fantasy world, or a video game, that's entirely probable to happen. Unfortunately here it's not, it's feasible, but it's not likely. Yes money talks but in FA there are usually multiple teams in pursuit of these quality players offering similar, or better money. I don't think we should risk losing Schneider in the hopes that with that extra cap space we can get a quality player.

 

[JimEIV]

Where is said quality player coming from exactly? A trade? A FA signing? In a fantasy world, or a video game, that's entirely probable to happen. Unfortunately here it's not, it's feasible, but it's not likely. Yes money talks but in FA there are usually multiple teams in pursuit of these quality players offering similar, or better money. I don't think we should risk losing Schneider in the hopes that with that extra cap space we can get a quality player.

How your own players? How about all the RFA's we'll have soon? How about Zidlicky and Fayne? How about Jagr ?

That's not even looking at the real UFA market.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I have yet to hear what the people who are worried about what Schneider will make would use the money on.

how much do you think he is signing for? he ain't signing for $4.5 so you can get that thought out of your head right now. and even if he did, thats $2 million off of what most are saying is reasonable for him. that $2 million is going to make or break us? get lost.

 

[Cheddabombs]

How your own players? How about all the RFA's we'll have soon? How about Zidlicky and Fayne? How about Jagr ?

That's not even looking at the real UFA market.

How much cap room do we have for next season, I can't access capgeek right now so I really don't know. Looking at our own players, the only ones that would command relatively big contracts next season would be Jagr, Zidlicky, and Fayne. Even so, I can't imagine Jagr and Zidlicky getting more than 1 year contracts. And Schneider is still under contract for next season so his new deal wouldn't even kick in yet.

Of our RFAs who is going to be commanding a huge contract? I don't see any of them to be honest, they'll likely get 2-3 year bridge deals. By then the cap would have increased substantially though so Cory's new deal wouldn't be too much of a worry. The UFA market is a crapshoot, we'd need to rely on a bunch of different factors to work out for us.

I really don't think if we sign Cory to a deal with a cap hit of 6.5m that it'll cripple us financially and completely hinder our ability to sign our own free agents/UFAs. Given our roster players right now and who we need to re-sign/who we should be looking to sign.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I've posted my ideal lineup next year and it includes Fayne, Jagr, all of our RFAs, Carter back, Stastny, and Mason Raymond. and we still have like $3 million in space assuming we can buy out a guy like Salvador.

we have plenty of cap space. people dont really understand that. the only 2 guys we have signed long term are Zajac and Henrique. thats it.

 

[JimEIV]

How much cap room do we have for next season, I can't access capgeek right now so I really don't know. Looking at our own players, the only ones that would command relatively big contracts next season would be Jagr, Zidlicky, and Fayne. Even so, I can't imagine Jagr and Zidlicky getting more than 1 year contracts. And Schneider is still under contract for next season so his new deal wouldn't even kick in yet.

Of our RFAs who is going to be commanding a huge contract? I don't see any of them to be honest, they'll likely get 2-3 year bridge deals. By then the cap would have increased substantially though so Cory's new deal wouldn't be too much of a worry. The UFA market is a crapshoot, we'd need to rely on a bunch of different factors to work out for us.

I really don't think if we sign Cory to a deal with a cap hit of 6.5m that it'll cripple us financially and completely hinder our ability to sign our own free agents/UFAs. Given our roster players right now and who we need to re-sign/who we should be looking to sign.

I can't access capgeek either...

But you don't think the devils are going to upgrade at all next year via free agency? Not even 4th liners?
Zidlicky, Fayne, Jagr, Bernier, Carter, Gionta are UFA...they need to be replaced or resigned...

Larsson needs a contract, Gelinas needs a contract. Greene will need to resigned next year...

The worst thing a team can do is miss the playoff or be crappy near the cap.

 

[glenwo2]

To answer the 500k question...

6 is too close to 10% of the cap and you still need to pay a backup...probably a decent backup when you consider Cory still has never shouldered a full work load.

I'd prefer him closer to 5.

Do our owners care all that much, though?

Maybe they'll just give Lou a blank check to give to Cory?



Devils aren't exactly under the HUCKSTER-BEEK regime anymore...

 

[Cheddabombs]

I can't access capgeek either...

But you don't think the devils are going to upgrade at all next year via free agency? Not even 4th liners?
Zidlicky, Fayne, Jagr, Bernier, Carter, Gionta are UFA...they need to be replaced or resigned...

Larsson needs a contract, Gelinas needs a contract. Greene will need to resigned next year...

The worst thing a team can do is miss the playoff or be crappy near the cap.

We're shedding salary next season as well, Brodeur's cap hit was still pretty big last season and honestly I don't see him coming back. Like I said, Jagr and Zidlicky really don't play a factor in this because they'd probably receive 1 year deals, in which Schneider's old contract would still be in effect for that year.

CBGB are 4th liners, even if we don't bring them back we'd bring in other 4th liners who make close to league minimum so no I'm not worried about that. Larsson and Gelinas are not going to be getting lengthy/large contracts and by the time they are in need of one the cap will have gone up substantially. The only free agents I have interest in this year are Stastny, and to a lesser extent, Vrbata. I believe we have enough cap room to sign both of them. Unlikely as it may be that both players are willing to sign a contract here, we can still get one I think and we can more than afford that one contract.

 

[JimEIV]

I've posted my ideal lineup next year and it includes Fayne, Jagr, all of our RFAs, Carter back, Stastny, and Mason Raymond. and we still have like $3 million in space assuming we can buy out a guy like Salvador.

we have plenty of cap space. people dont really understand that. the only 2 guys we have signed long term are Zajac and Henrique. thats it.

I haven't seen it...but my hunch is you have fantasy numbers were players are getting little to no increases and rookies or players with little to no experience are spread throughout the lineup with no backup plan...that is not reality but I watch it done every summer on these boards to make their favorite player fit...

you ain't fitting Stastny, Jagr,Schneider at 6.5 and putting together a decent lineup. Jagr and Stastny alone are going to cost you 12million.

 

[TaiMaiShu]

All of our RFAs will be getting bridge contracts, no doubt about it. No one on this team will be making superstars salary (7+ mil), in the foreseeable future. And I am very confident that Lou won't overspend in UFA the next few years. Cap space is a non issue. Keeping Cory is of utmost importance.

 

[NJDevs26]

I have yet to hear what the people who are worried about what Schneider will make would use the money on.

how much do you think he is signing for? he ain't signing for $4.5 so you can get that thought out of your head right now. and even if he did, thats $2 million off of what most are saying is reasonable for him. that $2 million is going to make or break us? get lost.

There's seriously more hemming and hawing about an extra $2 million aggregate on goalies than there was $3.8 million on a third-line deadline acquisition. If the former's going to cost us then the latter was REALLY stupid.

 

[JimEIV]

All of our RFAs will be getting bridge contracts, no doubt about it. No one on this team will be making superstars salary (7+ mil), in the foreseeable future. And I am very confident that Lou won't overspend in UFA the next few years. Cap space is a non issue. Keeping Cory is of utmost importance.

Andy Greene will be inline for a hefty raise ...not superstar money but you can bet his next contract will be 5+

 

[NJDevs26]

Andy Greene will be inline for a hefty raise ...not superstar money but you can bet his next contract will be 5+

And by that time Sal will be off the books (at least on this deal) and Volch will only have one year left if he's still here. They really have very few people signed beyond '15-16 total atm (just Henrique and Zajac I think), they can remake the team whatever way they want.

 

[TaiMaiShu]

Andy Greene will be inline for a hefty raise ...not superstar money but you can bet his next contract will be 5+

That's fine. That still proves point and I can see him a signing similar contact to Macdonald, but hopefully for less years. If Lou can remain hesitant on the UFA splashes, cap space isn't a big deal.

Whether we are a competitive team next year is a whole different story but you can probably tell where I stand.

 

[devilsblood]

There's seriously more hemming and hawing about an extra $2 million aggregate on goalies than there was $3.8 million on a third-line deadline acquisition. If the former's going to cost us then the latter was REALLY stupid.

I've hawed plenty in regards to said 3rd liner.

 

[JimEIV]

That's fine. That still proves point and I can see him a signing similar contact to Macdonald, but hopefully for less years. If Lou can remain hesitant on the UFA splashes, cap space isn't a big deal.

Whether we are a competitive team next year is a whole different story but you can probably tell where I stand.

I just don't see how Lou doesn't supplement the roster next year.

It doesn't make sense to roll with what they have. Don't fire the coach and don't bring in anything new? For a team that missed the playoffs? I don't believe it.

 

[ScottyK]

Let's see if Lou moves bodies at the draft...if he doesn't then the head scratching begins.

Without CBGB resigning there is currently ONE spot available in the top 9 if Zubrus moves to the 4th line.