cska78
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again, this is TOTALLY and completely different game on a small ice, Russians have no clue how to play there.
GDT: October 7 | Lok-MNk | Sev-Sib | Atl-Adm | SKA-Amr | CSKA-SYu | Lev-MMg | Mdv-Nft
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again, this is TOTALLY and completely different game on a small ice, Russians have no clue how to play there.
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One expansion team.
Medvescak is not drawing players from the russian talent pool. It seems that at least now they cannot be qualified as a team with weak players, at least in the KHL.
I agree with encouraging junior programs part, but I fail to see why some teams can't do that in the VHL. Novokuznetsk and Cherepovets do not belong in the KHL.
KHL should be a prize not a common thing for a young player.
cska78
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Novokuznetsk and Cherepovets do not belong in the KHL.
KHL should be a prize not a common thing for a young player.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure about Severstal, but to each his own
KHL should be a prize not a common thing for a young player.[/QUOTE]
I'm not so sure about Severstal, but to each his own
Sry for offtopic.
How long will pass 'till a small KHL team will have enough talent to win over NHL team on small ice 10y ,50y ,100 years or never?
KHL wants to challenge NHL. Not one part of the KHL, not 3/4 of KHL but whole KHL. That includes teams like Amur, Nizhemansk and others.
Not sure what the big deal is.
A Calder Cup level AHL team being a low level playoff seed in the KHL is what many expected.
A Calder Cup level AHL team being a low level playoff seed in the KHL is what many expected.
Peter25
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Well that is partly true but there are several players in Zagreb who would probably play in other KHL teams if Zagreb did not play in the KHL. For example Kurtis Foster and Charles Linglet. They do take some players away from the "KHL talent pool".One expansion team.
Medvescak is not drawing players from the russian talent pool. It seems that at least now they cannot be qualified as a team with weak players, at least in the KHL.
VHL is a farm league for the KHL. But the KHL teams are the ones with the money and resources to run good junior programs if the will is there.
cska78
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unless american economy is in tact - never. NA has way more depth players, it's probably like 1 to 10 at the least if not a larger margin.
Peter25
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Many of the top players of Russian KHL teams are foreigners. The KHL talent pool includes most the best non-NHL players in the world.Peter, he said russian talent pool, not KHL
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Today's and the CSKA game are the only real blowouts.
Idk, I always expected them to be very effective at home......but ultimately they would end up as a solid but not great team.
Russian talent pool is different thing from KHL talent pool.
But we will need to wait for the FreshFruit to say what he meant.
With foreigner rule limit every Russian team has to find at least 20 domestic(Russian) players to be competitive in the league. That's what we have today.
Because of that rule inflation in the Russian hockey market is enormous, market is not prepared for it and we see average players cost more than they real value. That is created for two reasons:
1) Russian hockey market is relatively small and cannot sustain and produce talent pool that KHL desires at affordable prices
2) High end talents still prefer the NHL and when they're gone( and there isn't much of them in the first place) russ teams are left with less skillful players to satisfy theirs ambitions.
That leads to conclusion that KHL teams need much more money than it is need to be competitive in the high end hockey.
With foreign rule gone teams like Loko and Atlant could at affordable price create much better teams than they have now. With that in mind, we should see teams like SKA and Ak Bars be more active on North American and European market, and sooner than later we should see high end Swedish or American prospects in those teams.
With no foreigner rule competitiveness in the league would change drastically in a good way. That would also mean that highly overrated Russian market would be putted under control.
Yes, that means that lot of Russian players would lose their jobs and would be forced to explore the possibilities that they would never explore before in the foreign rule era.
That move could destabilise and cripple the Russian hockey market on short road but when junior teams and players realize that to survive they need to constantly change and adapt while working on their skills we could see a new era of Russian hockey boom.
It is a risky deal but it is a necessity in todays world.
Because of that rule inflation in the Russian hockey market is enormous, market is not prepared for it and we see average players cost more than they real value. That is created for two reasons:
1) Russian hockey market is relatively small and cannot sustain and produce talent pool that KHL desires at affordable prices
2) High end talents still prefer the NHL and when they're gone( and there isn't much of them in the first place) russ teams are left with less skillful players to satisfy theirs ambitions.
That leads to conclusion that KHL teams need much more money than it is need to be competitive in the high end hockey.
With foreign rule gone teams like Loko and Atlant could at affordable price create much better teams than they have now. With that in mind, we should see teams like SKA and Ak Bars be more active on North American and European market, and sooner than later we should see high end Swedish or American prospects in those teams.
With no foreigner rule competitiveness in the league would change drastically in a good way. That would also mean that highly overrated Russian market would be putted under control.
Yes, that means that lot of Russian players would lose their jobs and would be forced to explore the possibilities that they would never explore before in the foreign rule era.
That move could destabilise and cripple the Russian hockey market on short road but when junior teams and players realize that to survive they need to constantly change and adapt while working on their skills we could see a new era of Russian hockey boom.
It is a risky deal but it is a necessity in todays world.
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Ehh, there isn't really anything surprising, average russian depth players that average KHL teams are filled with are really worse than good AHL-ers. And Medveschak leaders were once actually leaders in KHL already before. Still I don't think the team will go far in playoffs.
Ok, Medvescak had a big win against Neftekhimik. But apart of all that euphoria, let's not forget that Medvescak lost 7 games in a row against average teams before.
Only time and some trips to Russia will tell if Medvescak are really able to play for a playoff spot.
And regarding Lev. Very disappointing to lose 2 points like that.
Only time and some trips to Russia will tell if Medvescak are really able to play for a playoff spot.
And regarding Lev. Very disappointing to lose 2 points like that.
Yes and no. Many of the top players in AHL never make more than a few games in NHL. A lot of factors play a role.
yes but all of you guys forget when u mention that 7 game loss of Medvescak is 1) they were 30 guys that never met playing together 2) had the shortest training camp before 3) most never played in KHL nor had expirience with the russian style.
So yeah they lost 7 in a row but they needed time to adjust and learn to work together by instinct, and even during their bad run each game was getting better, look at their scores, until SKA game win in overtime. u can see in their scores before SKA last game was an over time loss or a close loss game. before that at the beginning they were blowouts even at home. SO give them credit for the losses it was a learning curve.
So yeah they lost 7 in a row but they needed time to adjust and learn to work together by instinct, and even during their bad run each game was getting better, look at their scores, until SKA game win in overtime. u can see in their scores before SKA last game was an over time loss or a close loss game. before that at the beginning they were blowouts even at home. SO give them credit for the losses it was a learning curve.
cska78
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no dobut, having guys who excelled at the KHL and NHL it's only a matter of time till the team jells and becomes competative, especially on home ice, which many russian players had never played on before. Small ice is completely different game, you don't think Medvescak blows out Neftekhimik like that in Nizhnekams do you? When you go from small ice (where you have fraction of the time u have on large ice) to the big surface it's easier to adjust, than the other way around. I personnaly think that all ice sheets within league should be created equal, but am willing to give Zagreb and Vladivostok some time before they are made to convert to a real - sized rink
